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Current Control And Pulse Control

03/25/2011 9:54 PM

current control is better than pulse control for the operation of stepper motor.

Can anybody explain Why?

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Re: current control and pulse control

03/25/2011 10:23 PM

Is this a test?

You must have had some reason for the statement, "current control is better than pulse control for the operation of stepper motor".

So, now that you have made the statement, can you justify it?

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Re: current control and pulse control

03/26/2011 12:56 AM

I am student of electrical engineering so this question was asked in my exam.

I could not write anything because this thing i didnot find in books and not told in lecture

So i want to seek CR4 help.

@lyn i want justification only.

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03/26/2011 2:54 AM

Was it a true or false question?

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Re: current control and pulse control

03/26/2011 3:28 AM

1. Number of steps (or rather fractional steps)

2. Torque capability, depending upon the number of coils energised simultaneously.

3. Type of control circuit (or simplicity of these)

etc are some factors that would decide which one scores above other.

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03/26/2011 9:55 AM

@34point

No it is a question of reasoning..

Need to explain why is it so?

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03/26/2011 9:57 AM

But i dont the difference between two also.

Can anybody tell me what is current control and pulse control?

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03/26/2011 11:18 PM

See my post below. Also, this sounds like a poorly constructed question or it refers to something you missed in a lecture. As stated and without a context, the question is ambiguous.

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03/26/2011 4:06 PM

Why not try Googling on your question? Here's a good starting point...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation

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03/26/2011 10:26 PM

If pulse control means your source voltage equals the rated coil voltage of the motor and current control means the source voltage is much higher than the coil voltage and you current limit then in the later case you can run the motor much faster. Stepper speed is limited by the inductive time constant of the motor t=LR. Current limiting, either by series resistance or PWM increases the "effective" R component. The shorter effective time constant allows you to reach peak winding current sooner after switching on a winding.

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03/26/2011 11:15 PM

Ooops, make that t=1/LR.

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03/27/2011 12:21 AM

DC Motors are DC current controlled and stepper motors are pulse controlled. They just will not move with DC current.

This question was to understand difference between ordinary DC (servo) motor and stepper motor. You know they are different and also you know why. Simply you do not want to say why so you lose points.

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03/27/2011 1:19 AM

You are in error to make this assumption. This question is ambiguous and poorly written or the individual is not representing it accurately. Based on what is stated in English by the poster, we can only assume that the question refers to two ways to use a stepper motor. This is a reasonable interpretation of a native english speaker. Perhaps you do not see that or perhaps you are the instructor who wrote the question. I can only judge the representation made here and not the original question assuming it may have been written in a non-english language.

In fact you are completely wrong since DC motors most certainly can be controlled by pulses. It is done all the time with PWM control for power.

Also, stepper motors are controlled with DC. When they are held in position and not stepping, DC is used to do so.

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03/27/2011 7:11 AM

As he says your answer is in agreement with that of his professor's idea, you win.

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03/27/2011 7:57 AM

You say I win, but your language leaves it open as to whether you are wrong. "his professor's idea" sounds like you still think you are right.

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03/27/2011 8:15 AM

By current control stepper motor never become a motor and it does require phase step sequence for which stepper motor is known for.

Micro stepping does require continuous current control waveform simultaneous on two or more phases with phase shift and then it works like a DC motor to some extent under phase to phase current control for micro stepping and that gives much better control. Phase control used in micro stepping is far superior and current here is dynamic for sine wave phase shifted waveforms.

There is no question of being right and wrong here. Understanding of an answer makes all difference. This person has consulted his teacher and that is the answer perhaps teacher was looking for.

As stepper motor has inductance in coils and current control is better way to operate than voltage waveform in stepping, your answer is right. It is not due to hold current, but due to superior power injection by current control stepping waveform makes it better performer.

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03/27/2011 8:32 AM

Not sure what you mean by "stepper motor never become a motor", sounds contradictory.

In fact you may chose to use microstepping or not with what is often referred to as a chopper drive (PWM current control). You can still run standard whole step or half step sequences. I've done it many times on high speed controllers running in excess of 2000 whole steps per second.

Thanks for your comments.

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03/28/2011 12:50 AM

hold current is a static actuator action and not a motor action. motor action means motion.

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03/28/2011 1:24 AM

Now we are really "splitting hairs". I guess you imply that when a motor isn't turning it is not a motor. That would make it an electromagnetically operated static torquing device, nice. I suppose by the same logic, when a light bulb isn't lighting, it isn't a light bulb, it's just a bulb. Very nice.

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03/28/2011 2:22 AM

Yes, when bulb is not glowing then it is only glass and metal. Only shop owner call them by name but when you use them and you know what they are.

I know that you will not stop so i stop all this and let others move on to more serious and valuable info. You win. OK.

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03/28/2011 3:55 AM

If you were joking, great joke.

If you weren't joking, then you are going down too far in detail for all of us.

We do see your point, but your point, although accurate, is very unhelpful to the question I feel......

Apologies if you feel attacked, but I was really only doing a reality cheack. Nothing more, nothing less!!

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03/28/2011 4:01 AM

You should take the views of rcapper. He is smarter.

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03/28/2011 9:23 AM

I don't believe so.......you got taken in with the flashing blue lights and the buzzer!!!

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03/29/2011 8:48 AM

I think it is in order to give Shyam a break. Perhaps English is not his first language. I have come across Engineering text books written by some Indian professors and technologists and they are completely incomprehensible too. And to my surprise, they are very popular with the students there.

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03/29/2011 9:14 AM

You have no right to comment on people of any nation like this publicly. If it is incomprehensible for you thats okay..keep that upto you only.. Similarly Indians face problem to get Canadian Authors also or any other nation people.

Also language is only a means to give a vent to your views and nothing else..

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03/29/2011 9:22 AM

Oops...............I did not mean to..............!

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03/29/2011 10:24 AM

I really appreciate comments by people and for sure my English is very funny for me also. My wife who know more than 10 Languages also says that my languages are funny.

I also like the reasoning of most of the engineers around and I really appreciate their smartness. I will like this from anyone in India also but here people get offended easily.

I care for young knowledge and I do read their comment and to my surprise they take lots of efforts in getting to what they say. It is not an easy thing to do. Most of the people on the forums are close to my heart for this reason.

When I say, you win means I like their thinking as well and not asking any one to quit discussion. I often get busy with my work as I need to earn millions of dollars to let my employees have salary and projects have to move on and that is merely time pressure on me.

I can easily accept that many engineers are smarter here and in fact truly they are so. Will I get any pleasure in knowing that young generation is less smarter? After all knowledge is generating better knowledge in time and it should be that way.

We can close this part and let everyone move on to pure and helpful discussion. I like all of you so it remains at that point for good.

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03/29/2011 11:16 AM

Good reply Shyam! I do not intend to offend any body. I guess I would naturally struggle to explain myself if I tried doing it in some other language than mine.

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03/29/2011 12:26 PM

Good idea.

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Re: Current Control And Pulse Control

03/27/2011 2:16 AM

@ RAM

I tried google and wikipedia also but not worthful.

@rcapper

Stepper Motor was in the syllabus of Exam and not the servo motor or dc motor.

You are right. Rcapper i asked my prof and he said "what you wrote".

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03/27/2011 5:50 PM

Stepper motors work by energizing the stator coils sequentially which pulls the permanent magnet rotor around in steps. Driver chips are available that respond to step pulses and a direction input to generate the coil currents. The speed of the motor is determined by the step pulse rate. So I would say, without any more information, that stepper motors are controlled by pulse control.

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Re: Current Control And Pulse Control

03/29/2011 10:07 AM

With current control you can build in a feedback loop and compensate for load variations.

Pulse control provides no feedback loop (open loop control) so pulse timing is precalculated based on a fairly fixed load and motion profile desired. A poor choice when the load varies widely.

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