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Theodolite use WILD T16 vs SOKKISHA TM6

04/24/2011 11:46 AM

I recently won a SOKKISHA TM6 theodolite in auction. It did not come with a manual. I have a swiss made WILD T16 which I understand how to use completely and use it in my work as well as part of my collection. The Sokkisha, in perfect condition, has 2 things about it which I would like clarified if possible. The first, probably very simple, is the tribrach release. On my WILD the release is obtained by depressing a spring loaded lever and swing it to one side so the instrument simply lifts ofF without any effort or force required. However the Sokkisha has a rectangular knob which moves from a horizontal position to a vertical position but the instrument remains tightly gripped by the tribrach. I do not want to force anything so my question is if there is any trick I need to know about after releasing the knob to get the two parts separated easily. The second question is regarding reading values in the micrometer. On the WILD each degree is a single fine line which falls on a 0 to 60 minute scale and you simply read out to the nearest minute and estimate the rest. The Sokkisha has 2 fine lines at each degree point and a single line for the degree. To take a reading you move the micrometer dial until the single degree line is in between the 2 degree points. Then you read the minutes and seconds in the small window to the right. Why is there 2 lines instead of just 1? The distance between the 2 lines, while being very close, is still less precise than a single fine line. Am I using this instrument correctly? Should I line up with just one of the 2 lines? If so why are there 2 lines in the first place?

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04/25/2011 1:44 AM

I don't know the instrument but i am going to guess that the second line on the degree scale is a type of vernier scale. On the tribrach release, try turning and lifting the rectangular knob. Just a guess. Good luck; Jim

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04/25/2011 3:05 AM

You might try these peoplefor the operator's manual

"Why is there 2 lines instead of just 1?"

Some feel aligning center with a gap is more accurate than line to line, where the line widths might be different.

But I've never used one of those - so I could be fully wrong.

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04/25/2011 3:35 AM

I haven't touched a theodolite for a long time (I used the price of the Wild to motivate the best cheaper machine)

From info on the web it seems that the Sokkisha is more accurate and rated as 6" machine (mark between lines) and could be interpolated to 3" If you have the mark on one of these lines.

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04/25/2011 8:48 AM

The two lines are the result of a higher degree of optical magnification within the instrument. This doesn't make it any more or less accurate than what it's supposed to be. It is also possible that those two lines are optically imposed from the vertical and horizontal graduations onto the micrometer scale. I'm guessing that the distance between the two lines represent the inherant mechanical accuracy of the instrument.

Most tribrachs are made with a revolving locking cam mechanism. If the theodolite or tribrach have been dropped (or dirty) then the locking cam mechanism might overtighten due to distortion. A distortion of the base can lead to serious problems within the theodolite. It can distort the horizontal axis or knock the graduated circle off centre.

What are the readings like and how did you check?

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04/25/2011 12:01 PM

I agree about accuracy limitations. However, if I put the degree line on the left line of the double lines and then cause it to move over to the right line using the micrometer knob it changes by 2 minutes 36 seconds. This seems to be too big of a swing and defeats the precision originally designed into the instrument. If I simply ignore the 2 double lines and always use ,say, the left line then I can get repeatability down to about 6 seconds which seems far better. If I had the manual I'm sure the double lines would be explained.

Re the tribrach release. The instrument is in mint condition giving me the impression that it was never used or very infrequently nor dropped or abused. My WILD manual says that the tribrach locking lever has a safety screw which must be removed for the release to occur. This knob also has a screw so I'm going to try this right now.

I am using the inverse angle method for checking the instrument. I also built a 200ft water level in my yard for level confirmation. So far the instrument is giving excellent results (lucky for me because I've had a few bummers from e-Bay).

I sure wish I could find somebody with a manual.

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04/25/2011 1:31 PM

Do a horizontal double shot ie set hor. @ 0' or 90' and then rotate exactly 180' and make a second shot. How much is the error?

Don't worry about vertical yet.

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04/28/2011 8:56 PM

Since my last comment SOKKIA sent me a downloadable manual which I now have. The vertical circle is auto leveled with special magnetic dampers. I performed the Vertical and Horizontal calibrations sighting on things about 100ft away and both were very close to perfect. Since I love perfection I tweaked out the small error in both planes using the tiny capstan screws on the reticles and now it's so close to perfect that I put it back into its carrying case surgically to avoid bumps.

Compared to my WILD T16 the SOKKISHA is bigger and heavier as well as not quite so user friendly in the placement of adjusting knobs etc. Theoretically it is capable of more precision but I am going to run a little competition between both. They are both beatiful instruments. I also have a mint K&E 5155 with pristine optics and again, very little sign of ever being used.

Thanks, CR4 team, for your helpful input. I think all is OK now.

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04/29/2011 7:43 AM

So it was a reticule adjustment after all! Happy to hear you have a problem free theo. If you want some top notch precision keep your eyes open for a Kern DKM 2A. It uses a liquid compensator and the circles are bushing mounted.

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04/28/2011 6:36 AM

very good answer! I happen to have some of these manuals but wouldn't be able to get to them for a couple of weeks since i am on-site with a project, but john nailed this one!

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04/28/2011 8:59 PM

Thank You for the input. I now have the manual. Do you own a SOKKISHA TM6? How do you like it.

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04/29/2011 6:25 AM

No i have an older model been using theodolites since the early 80's but from time to time we will lease different models along with GPS and this is one of the models I liked. First distamat i ever used was a Hewett & Packard then they went to the stingers on-top of the old transits, then the total stations,my first total station was a topcon GTS 3-B . But by far now the SOKKISHA beats them all!

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