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Neutral Problem

09/25/2011 9:48 AM

Hey guys,

We have a Quality lab where in all the equipments are fed from a 3 phase, 30KVA UPS. All the loads including emergency lighting is single phase and connected to this UPS. Recently a service person reported that one of his equipment failed due to earthing problem. His complaint is that some where in the down stream neutral and earth is getting short because of which there is short circuit in his electronic equipment.

all the body earthing of equipment is connected to dedicated earth pit. I have checked phase to phase, phase to neutral voltages found ok. Neutral to earth voltage is 0.4 volts. His argument is that since earth and neutral are short somewhere voltage between them is so less which in normal case should be between 1 and 3 V

To prove his theory i have checked current flowing throwing each phase, neutra, and earth wire using clamp meter. and found the imbalance current through neutral is matching with difference of currents between all the phases together. current through earth condutor is of few milliamps.

I would like to know is there any thing fishy to have a low potential difference between earth and neutral ( I suppose voltage more than 3-5 between Neutral & earth is what we should be concerned about), I would like to iterate that we have had a heavy rainfall recently which may be the reason for low earth resistance.

Even if there is a short between earth and neutral at downstream is it so dangerous? which is the standard( IEEE,IEC, IE etc) that is directing on this?

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Re: Neutral Problem

09/25/2011 2:31 PM

Sometimes a neutral mounting screw will get a little loose, and the connection will degrade. The load then may seek out ground to complete the circuit. Try tightening all white (neutral) screws. This is a common problem in breaker boxes.

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09/25/2011 7:41 PM

That sounds questionable. There might be a maximum acceptable voltage between some points of neutral and ground, but I don't know of any minimum.

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09/25/2011 10:56 PM

Install a RCD/ELCB at the output of the UPS to trip or an earth monitoring relay. Meanwhile check the output of UPS whether phases are balanced on no-load as well as on-load

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09/25/2011 11:28 PM

What your service person has observed is an indication that there is NO problem with the supply. The earth and neutral are supposed to be bonded at the main distribution board. The bonding is also referred to as an MEN link. The bonding must be implemented on the mains side of any ELCBs/RCDs. Bonding ensures that protective devices work correctly. A short inside his electronic equipment caused by a short on the supply? Clutching at straws. Look for another problem and cause.

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Re: Neutral Problem

09/26/2011 3:13 AM

As already mentioned, you are looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Everything is as it should be in an optimum situation/installation.

The less the voltage difference between neutral and earth the better.

Whoever is looking/hoping/wanting for a higher voltage does not understand how neutral and earth are supposed to work......hopefully he does not call himself an electrician!! If he does, change him out immediately......he is dangerous.

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Re: Neutral Problem

09/26/2011 4:57 AM

It would be exceptional if there were not a voltage difference between earth and neutral. It is, after all, an expression of the return current in the neutral and the resistance of the neutral conductor.

The earth conductor is there to operate the circuit protective devices in the event of a fault. Always was. Always will be.

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