Convincing of Facts

Duplicate posting.

Sorry.

Cuba_pete,

recent threads have proved that you can't convince idiot bosses and people from Illogical Land of anything. They will have to learn for themselves by their failure. Even that is not at all certain.

-S

cuba pete asked a question:

"When you speak to your "fellow" engineers and present them with "fact" i.e., measurements from an operating system, how do you make them realize that they did something incorrectly (wrong, half-assed)?"

An idealistic young optimist would answer that it's simply a matter of clearly explaining the facts in a calm manner; that the person who made the mistake will listen closely and be happy that his logic is being improved.

If the young optimist is correct, he is living in the alternate universe that was first shown to us in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers in 1956. The pod people in his universe do not feel threatened when they are found to be responsible for mistakes. The word 'blame' is rarely used.

"I see. So putting a 5,000,000 Mfd capacitor in the new MP3 players caused all those nukes to launch. Oh well. Live and learn. I assume that I will be reassigned. Perhaps in a cleanup crew in one of the former major cities?"

"Yes, Dr. Bennell. That will be a more suitable function for you. Be well, my freind."

So placid. Don't you wish you could be in that happy place?

As we can see from this thread, the humans on this version of Earth do not react quite as calmly when shown their mistakes. To them, accepting a fact that will require them to adjust the way they think is tantamount to suicide. Someone presenting proof that one's beliefs are flawed is instantly percieved as a mortal enemy attempting to kill you. No matter how trivial the situation, no matter how big a mountain of evidence is presented or how little contrary evidence there is or how obviously flawed their logic, this Earth's humans will fight to the bitter end.

So now you are inferring I'm not human? Ummm, U might be right

Be polite and give something for them to learn, I want to state that as an answer to the OP before I make a couple of comments on your persona.

Jesus Christ ! I'm not an english speaker, I use a dictionary in order to follow the threads, and now, you come and try to push an all new kind of english !

I find it very difficult for me to read your posts, which greatly reduces my interest on them; that's OK it's up to me to read or not, but I think that is at least megalomaniac and disrespectful to others (natives) to pretend they adopt your "system".

To be honest, you made me go thru a wide range of emotions, I admire your rashness to embark in such an enterprise. I see you as a dreamer, as a kid with the stars in his eyes, you reminded me one of my very best friends from childhood, he was tender, candid, and a complete dork. Now that I see that from an adult's perspective, I find it heart-wrenching.

Finally, I feel sorry for you, must be hard to take all those blows. It shows that you're an intelligent person, just give up that thing you do with the words, and I promisse you'll be a lot more welcome to this forum.

Best regards

P.S. Change your avatar for God's sake !!

Thanks, Yahlasit.

I'm impressed with your effort to read using a dictionary. It may interest you to learn that many native speakers of English need to use a dictionary when writing. I will often have to check the spelling for common wordz to avoid seeming like an illiterate when I'm writing more formal communicationz.

The 'disrespect' angle iz a matter uv perspective and intent. It iz a measure uv mental flexibilty and power to be able to read wordz that arent exactly the way you normally see them. So, for me to rite to you this way indicates I don't think youre such a cement hed that a few changed letterz are going to defeat you.

The bigger picture iz that wut I'm doing iz a huge project and theze minor fonetic improvements are part uv it.

You don't Like my avatar?! Thats CoR GWo az a MIB! How coud you not like Cor az a MIB?

I'll agree with that. If facts and politics clash... you're screwed.

I think that is the stage in which I am currently. I am getting attitude from involved parties that what I am doing is pointless. It may very well be pointless in the grand scheme...I am not sure yet.

I can't really go into it too deep on the board...people around here frown on bringing about too much public scrutiny.

ah the alcoholic syndrome

you can't help someone with the problem they don't have

you did your part & informed the higher ups of your concern

unless you find an ally, file it for future reference

it can be good to know where the bodies are buried can come in handy

I have no problem with your grammar as long as I can understand what you mean. My comment is to point out the discrepency between people's tendency to jump on mispellings, but ignore bad grammar.

The reason for this is that grammar is not hammered into our heads nearly as asssiduously as spelling is in grammar school, so most people are not Grammar Cops. Speak like Yoda you can and mad nobody gets.