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Solving a Problem...

10/07/2011 10:16 PM

I was just reading my Oct 2011 issue of Popular Mechanics, how a tornado trashed a bunch of small airplanes at a "Sun'n Fun"

I think this is a recurring problem in search of a solution....

I'd like to make my own proposal, but I'd also like to hear many other suggestions you might have.

I just finished reading my new book. "And Suddenly The Inventor Appeared" by Genrich Altshuller which of course inspires me.

So we need a solution that can protect airplanes temporarily, be implemented quickly (ie:15 minutes or less), and be affordable for owners and airports.

My idea is....

to have airports implement a 'dugout' alongside a pertinent runway, and fill with water.. say 8' deep by 500' x 50' ... it could be lined with a variety of cheap materials. (technologies for retaining water should be tailored to locations and conditions)

Beside the pool is a special very low flat 'rail car' system, with wheels oriented to allow the entire thing (500 feet long) to slip sideways slowly down an incline into the pool (2 minutes)

So then what happens is each aircraft will be basically taxied onto the rail car, and 'ziploc'd' into a large plastic bag (edge sealed on 3 sides), and most of the air sucked out. (not fully, as that may cause other problems, but enough to prevent flotation)

when all the aircraft are bagged, the rail car slides them all into the water, which will act as a pretty effective drag on their becoming airborne during the storm. The aircraft stays dry inside the bag, but enjoys the protection of being mostly/all underwater.

During fly-in shows, the setup would be to position the bulk of aircraft for rapid bagging. Perhaps the rail car becomes a FIFO queue ramp for flights... I dunno..

Compared to the cost of small airports building hangars, concrete walls, etc.. I think the pool, rail car, and bag system to be relatively affordable. (the pilot/owners can pay for the bags, and pay a fee that will help repay the cost of the pool/railcar procurement.)

I think that if pilots are flying in tornado/hurricane risky regions, they might be willing to consider methods that reduce the risk of losing their investment. Additionally, Insurance companies might be willing to promote/offset helpful technologies.

Obviously ground-tie systems are cheap... but are they effective enough in a tornado situations?

Anyway... I think this whole situation could use some creative problem solving help...

Anyone?

Chris

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10/11/2011 2:52 PM

To me it seems the only rational solution is to carry adequate insurance and then to pay attention to the weather forecasts and as far as reasonably possible stay away from threatened areas......... it is not only airplanes that are vulnerable in these storms....

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10/10/2011 11:30 AM

I doubt one can fly the planes away in time, assuming all pilots are to hand anyway,
and, the planes all ready to go. (plus a control tower nightmare)

It is unlikely one can cover/seal them all and put them underwater! (eeeeekkk!)
Even if you could get any owner to ever agree to it! What if the storm(s) pass over?
You could have a lot of very irate owners after your blood. (repeatedly?)

If some thing has to be done, albeit at low cost, how about covering them in a
"balloon" style canopy (like a huge garden poly-tunnel) the sheet mechanically fed
out from a straddling gantry, and then sealed down and pressurised?

Not a lot of expense involved, gantry could power over "cover them" in a few minutes,
and if the worst happened, the sheet destroyed, it could add little to the damage.

I did intend to send a sketch, but you can visualise a straddling gantry frame covering
a row of planes in a strong film "blanket" above the planes, pulling tight with the sides
sloping to deflect the wind, and semi sealed down at the floor edges.

This being low pressurised during the roll out to withstand flying debris and to also
protect the planes being torn apart or blown over by the storm.

I think this could be achieved (with practice runs) within 5-10 minutes, and while not
providing complete protection, it would be costing only a fraction of the alternatives,
and could cover rows of planes in one movement.
Simply; an emergency hanger created by / from a rolling gantry.
(similar to the gantries used for containers on the docks.)

This "cover up" could perhaps be supervised by the fire section or designated crew,
and the gantry also useful for may other things on the airfield.

jt.

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He's slowly coming round. (booo!)

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10/10/2011 12:15 PM

thank you... interesting idea.

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10/10/2011 3:52 PM

Yes, it can takes hours to escape from a 'fly-in', even when it's 'freestyle' separation.

I'm not sure if this is actually Chris's main 'market', or stuff normaly resident and passing through.

However if fly-ins are the 'market' - your gantry is an Interesting Idea. It starts to address the logistics - but it's still a big job.

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10/10/2011 4:44 PM

Looking thru all the replies, I haven't seen anyone mention that the wings on these aircraft are going to have fuel in them, not only the flammability but the SG is going to pose a problem sinking the craft low enough to be any benefit. Also, I have a friend with a J3 Super-Cub, that tries to fly in 40 mph wind, while tied downed and spoilers strapped to wing surfaces. Thats just my 2¢.

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10/11/2011 12:01 AM

After 25 years working at an airport, I feel there are only two practical solutions.

1) Insurance, and plenty of it. Even in the worst of areas, the chances of damage from wind are very low. And the cost of any change would have to be spent every time a plane moved.

2) Additional tie downs. I have seen steel cables anchored at points along its length, and the in pavement type where planes are parked on hard pavement. The claws shown I have never seen used, but would have to feel they work, or would not be acceptable to FAA. Perhaps using additional claws would help.

What about wrapping the planes in bubble wrap then tying it down?

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