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Reidar Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine

06/19/2012 9:58 PM

What are members' opinion on the perpetual motion machine developed by Norwegian sculptor Reidar Finsrud? The link on YouTube says it hasn't stopped moving for months.

How would the setup stop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ
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Re: Reidar Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine

06/19/2012 10:19 PM

Months doesn't qualify as perpetual.

This device doesn't do anything except amuse the viewer. So, active sculpture is a more appropriate term. Any attempt to use the power from it would result in stoppage.

It's cool and fun to watch for a few minutes.

Friction and wear will be the downfall of this "machine" that does nothing.

Good find, none the less.

I wish I had one for my office.
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06/21/2012 4:53 AM

I didn't attest the claims of the video. I understand that by all present mathematical knowledge of reality perpetual motion isn't possible. But then the working wasn't clear, so I thought I'd get the opinions.

And I didn't say months qualify it as perpetual. I understand what perpetual motion is.
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Re: Reidar Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine

06/19/2012 10:37 PM

The video doesn't show enough of the gizmo to see what's going on.

However, something odd happens in the video between the 07:39 and 07:40 marks. The ball seems to momentarily disappear. At the same instant there are 3 reflections of the ball on the window behind the machine. Maybe it's just a video anomaly, but it looks odd.

Perhaps this occurs in other parts of the video; I just happened to notice it here.

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06/19/2012 10:44 PM

Finsrud's secret?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXmmNE5tscs&feature=watch_response

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06/21/2012 5:18 AM

That actually explains it. The batteries aren't shown in the moving sculpture, without them the working doesn't seem possible.
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09/17/2012 2:24 AM

There are no batteries in the finrud machine which makes that explanatory video pointless and invalid.
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06/20/2012 1:24 AM

It's a trick/delusion/fraud/spoof. You should know better than to ask such a question on an engineering or science forum.

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06/20/2012 2:04 AM

Why not? Engineers Are needed to debunk his "claim", but as Reidar Finsrud is an Artist, i believe this device is made to invoke a reaction.

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06/20/2012 3:14 AM

As is all art.

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06/20/2012 10:20 AM

I completely agree. What better place but CR4 to bring an apparent perpetual motion device that one does not see the power source. It's also others who have claimed that this is perpetual motion. Reidar Finsrud has made a very cool piece of art. I want one! If I got one I'd also be willing to keep the power source a secret because that is certainly part of the charm.

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Re: Reidar Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine

06/20/2012 6:06 AM

Obviously it's powered by one of these:

Obviously.

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06/20/2012 10:31 AM

IMHO The closest mechanical device to a perpetual motion machine is the Atmos clock. These clocks get their energy from slight atmospheric temperature and pressure differences that happen during the day. Even these clocks though are not perpetual. The link for repairing an Atmos clock is proof of that.

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06/21/2012 12:37 AM

No problem. It is a demonstrator of the commutator used in plenty of motors.

Perpetuum mobile? Nah, not by a long shot. Unless the electrical energy is free.
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06/21/2012 12:59 AM

I should have been clearer. It wasn't the artist who was being a fraud, etc.; it was the OP who pitched this in a bogus way.

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06/21/2012 1:10 AM

Hm, he seemed just curious about it, it is not like some other dubious posts that have been posted before. Maybe you were just cranky when you posted your reply?

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06/21/2012 8:31 AM

I've had a number of "desk toys" that run for a very long time on a battery. A hidden coil is triggered by a transistor circuit to add energy at just the right time. If you had some solar cells and a capacitor, it could run indefinitely as long as there was light.

For example:

http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Island-Intl-Inc-Circle/dp/B004USM7N6
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Re: Reidar Finsrud's Perpetual Motion Machine

09/17/2012 1:32 AM

I have figured out how the machine works and why...and so far I have not seen the correct solution posted...it is genuine but the physics does not follow traditional theory though it is not hard to understand....once you accept the principle on which it is based.
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09/17/2012 10:43 AM

Ah yes. The infamous "I know but I'm not going to tell you." claim.

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09/17/2012 5:23 PM

Actually it is not that difficult to figure out...but traditional physics does not fully appreciate or understand the potential latent in a magnetic field especially if that field is static and not moving..in this case it is moving but the energy required to sustain operation would work just as well if it were not moving but designed to remain static.
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10/28/2012 7:23 PM

I agree completely. Freed of the capacity for logical thought (drugs can help here), one can merely make up a new imaginary physics construct: it works because of the anti-proton derivative, for example. You cannot argue with me (or anyone else coming up with an equally -- or more -- imaginary explanation) because I will counter that you simply do not understand what the hell I'm proposing.

The beauty of our explanations is that they offer no meaningful content whatsoever.

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