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What Could They Possibly Mean???

01/15/2013 1:52 PM

The bottles of olive oil at the supermarket read 'Extra Virgin.'

Always wondered about that 'extra' part. Like, what does it mean when olive oil is 'extra' virgin? I know what virgin means, so what are they really saying here? Ever wondered that?

Does 'extra virgin' mean 'more virgin than virgin' or is it 'extra virgin' in the sense that space aliens are 'extra terrestrial'? Spooky, huh?

One brand even claims to be 'extra extra virgin' and so, just out of sheer curiosity, I bought a bottle (the whole case, actually). Funny thing was, they were adamant about wrapping the thing in plain brown paper before letting it out of their sight. Even weirder, I was followed by a cop all the way home. That was last year.

He's still out there.

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01/15/2013 2:09 PM

Do like I do. Keep it chained up in the basement for 18 years before using it.

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01/15/2013 3:15 PM

Eighteen years? But what about tonight's Veal Saltimbocca? (Please don't say butter!)

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01/15/2013 4:03 PM

Not as tasty as Vestals in Bocca.

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01/16/2013 6:46 PM

Definitely not Off-Topic, btw, given that Ancient Rome was a huge fan of olive oil and, to a lesser extent, Greece.

Either way, you can bet they didn't know diddly-squat about oleic acid. Why not! They didn't have to. No sir! No, when those gladiators said VIRGIN, they bluddy meant you-know-what.

We had to wait two thousand years for those Chemists to come along and obfuscate everything in mysterious-sounding terms like

'Methionylthreonylthreonylglutaminylala…ylglutaminylprolylleucylglutaminylsery…lserylthreonylalanylthreonylphenylalan…rylglycylphenylalanylprolylvalylprolyl…lanylarginylaspartylglycylglutaminylva…nylleucylprolylglycylvalylglutaminylis…ylglycylarginylalanyllysylleucylthreon…llysylalanylasparaginylserylglycylargi…eonylasparaginylglycylserylglycylgluta…nylglutamylleucylleucylvalyllysylalany…asparaginylphenylalanylvalylglutaminyl..............inylserylisoleucine,...

when, a paltry 189,919 letters later, all they had to do from the outset was call it "titin."

Sociologists, meanwhile, have dubbed all this nonsense 'Progress' but, even still, that's 189,911 fewer letters than titin's five.

oleic acid vs virgins. What could they have possibly been thinking?

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01/16/2013 7:00 PM

I didn't know ancient Roman gladiators spoke English. I guess that Russell Crowe was a good choice for the movie.

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01/16/2013 7:36 PM

But not just english, the King's english. This is nearly universally true in nearly every Hollywood portrayal of Ancient Rome and of ancient times generally, with exceptions of course. For instance, every time I see Cecil B. DeMills' portrayal of Moses, Afro Man's "And Then I Got High" springs immediately to mind. Moses looks high. Stoned. All the way to the end credits. DeMills didn't research his characters very well, regardless. If you'd texted the Real Moses if he knew he was a patriarch, he prolly wouldv'e ROFLMAOd you in reply. "Say what?" If you pressed the issue and told Moses that, for a Patriarch, he sure didn't walk, like in DeMills' portrayals, as though he'd a corncob up his you-know-where, he prolly wouldv'e replied (in a very British accent, no less), "DeMills sent you, didn't he?" :-))))

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01/21/2013 10:49 AM

Indeed. There's more:

  • Why is there no cream in a cream cracker?
  • Why is Bombay Duck actually fish?
  • Why is there no toad in a Sausage Toad?
  • Why is the jam on the end of the outside of a Cornish Pasty there to state that the jam is inside, though at the other end of the enclosure?
  • If pasta and antipasti came across each other, would they anihilate each other with a collossal release of energy?

So many questions, so little time...

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01/21/2013 11:13 AM

And what about "Spotted Dick"

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01/21/2013 7:20 PM

Not sure how your personal revelation pertains to the topic....but whatever the case may be, you should probably consult a physician.

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01/15/2013 2:25 PM

On top of being virgin it's also completely clueless as well.

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01/15/2013 2:29 PM

I believe extra virgin is the first pressing of the olives, and the sweetest, with each pressing the olives become less virgin until finally they become so bitter no one can stand them....

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01/15/2013 3:08 PM

"I think of an olive, take away reason and accountability."

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01/15/2013 3:10 PM

So, are you suggesting that perhaps my once-preowned car is still a virgin?

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01/15/2013 3:57 PM

Well, the salesman said it was ....

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01/15/2013 3:57 PM

You're describing olives or ex wives ?

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01/16/2013 5:28 PM

they become so bitter no one can stand them....
Sounds like my ex wife!

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01/15/2013 4:01 PM

I fear you have confused the biological term "virgin" with the gastronomical term "virgin".

However, once used, neither may claim the title a second time.

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01/16/2013 5:14 PM

"I fear you have confused the biological term "virgin" with the gastronomical term 'virgin'".

Well, up until today, like you I also believed that there were two interpretations; one of them also having a gastronomical flair somewhat remotely suggestive of your usage which clearly constitutes the term's third and quite different altogether meaning.

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01/15/2013 4:09 PM

ordinary virgin:- less than 3.3% oleic acid
........... virgin:- less than 2.0% oleic acid
....extra virgin:- less than 0.8% oleic acid

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01/15/2013 4:28 PM

Additionally, none of the virgin grades can have any additional processing (chemicals, cooking, dehydration, etc.) than pressing and mechanical filtering.

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01/15/2013 5:36 PM

Yes, I understand that part; my question concerns the usage of the V-word itself. Why not "Superior Grade" instead, and why apply this rather odd meaning of the word Virgin as referring to grades of olive oil in particular and, say, not beer? Or tires? Not only, but Virgin is a binary term, like Pregnant, the two terms in this example, coincidently, being mutually exclusive (with one possible historical exception).

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01/15/2013 7:36 PM

Sono state spremute appena prima della puberta'.

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01/15/2013 8:23 PM

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01/15/2013 4:55 PM

Who decides these things?

"Hey, Charlie! This one's only 0.6%!"

"That would make it... [consults chart] ...Extra Virgin."

"'Extra' Virgin, is it? What'll it be tomorrow?

Les Miserables?

The Missus is serving Italian tonight."

"Heck if I know! Ask Richard Branson why he calls his outfit 'Virgin' Airlines. Maybe they've never flown before!"

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01/16/2013 5:12 AM

"Maybe they've never flown before!"

Even more worrying: who the heck wants to fly with an airline that doesn't go all the way?

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01/16/2013 2:42 PM

I have to say , guys , I never expected so much entertainment from what I thought would be quite a ' dry ' site . Keep at it Off topic , on topic , I don't care if it makes me laugh .

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01/16/2013 4:23 PM

Well, that would certainly go a long way in justifying Mr. Branson's recent acquisition of the U.S. Navy's Submarine Fleet. Just look at the designations: Fast Attack. Hunter/Killer. Boomers.

Sorry. Nix that last one. Those just sit on the bottom and hold very still.

Then again, they also carry something like 50,000 MIRVs or something, all pointing upward. Very intimidating, and the suspense must be incredible.

Even for them.

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Is somebody confusing this with Olive Oyl?

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01/15/2013 8:23 PM

It's the one with the picture and motto of "Eight brides for seven brothers"!

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01/15/2013 11:27 PM

As mentioned in one of the earlier posts, the "virgin", or otherwise, rating is supposed to relate to the sequences of the pressings of the olives. Having said that, i have also heard that the rating may well be arbitrarily given to the batch with no real reference to how or when the olives were pressed.

Some producers may call a "premium" grade a "virgin" grade. There appears to be no apparent "standard" that the producers are required to adhere to.

As olives are processed, the first press is cold and would produce an "extra virgin" batch.

The next batch would be called "virgin" and would use a heavier mechanical process.

As the production process (on the same original batch of olives) progressed, each batch of oil produced, would be given a lower grade in it's title. The lower grades would also be heated in the process of extraction.

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01/16/2013 12:02 AM

I believe the "virgin" first press was a term adopted a long long time ago when it was the only way to describe it where everybody would understand.

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01/16/2013 3:19 AM

It may be from the first press without any purification process but filtered.

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01/16/2013 5:20 AM

It is referring to the Madonna scale of virginity. ("Like an extra virgin...") I think it goes subvirgin, virgin, extra virgin, super virgin, and hyper virgin. And it has something to do with how you use the oil.

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01/16/2013 7:56 AM

To the humorless do-gooder who is running around MY thread anonymously marking mine and others' posts off-topic, please do me a huge favor, won't you? Go start your OWN thread please and leave your little crusade over there. Such is not welcome here. You are, but that ain't. Thanks!

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01/16/2013 8:46 AM

Just mouth the word's 'olive juice' to your sweetheart and enjoy the first pressing.

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01/16/2013 10:54 AM

It is less cloudy, fewer impurities. (Basically it is strained better.)

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01/16/2013 11:28 AM

The distinction comes from the amount of oleic acid content allowed by each designation. The oil must also be extracted by hand/mechanical means (like a press), no heat or chemical solvents can be used. Extra Extra Virgin? Never heard of it. If the grocers wrapped it in brown paper it may be because extra virgin olive oil can deteriorate in quality when stored in the light. It breaks down and becomes bitter. Best to store it in a cool dark place. Or...maybe they just didn't want the bottles broken (what a mess that would make).

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01/16/2013 4:05 PM

Well, it certainly explains a lot. Thank you! It's a huge relief, actually, as I was a bit concerned that brown paper wrapper might be suggestive of

And that cop out there? Turns out he lives across the street.

Just wish he'd park in his own driveway. Blocks my view of that convent.

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01/16/2013 1:54 PM

Extra virgin is the first pressing of the olives.

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Are you sure 'Extra' refers to the First Pressing or, according to this post, suggestive possibly of an implicit Plan B?

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01/17/2013 5:21 PM

I looked up olive oil on the internet and after reading several sites, realize that olive oil can be as varied as wines. One x-virgin oil isn't the same as a another x-virgin oil. Although differences can be very subtle, It comes down to a matter-of-taste.

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01/17/2013 10:37 PM

Yes, it does all come down to a matter of taste. Unlike a wine that is normally an end product, most of the time olive oil is an ingredient to a dish. Thus the pallet of the chef selecting when to use the plebeian, cost effective, extra light oil instead of the nuanced extra virgin varietal from a northern slope of Sicily to make a dish is ironically the point of our engineering choices.

Just because a product is expensive does not make it correct for every application. Similarly, just because a low cost product will work just as well in many applications does not mean that elite products cannot out perform the pedantic when deftly utilized.

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01/18/2013 12:59 AM

Not only for olive oil for sesame and coconut oil(used for cooking,oiling the skin and instead of hair cream) too they label it that way.

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01/21/2013 10:29 AM

Can someone comfirm or deny that towards the end of the process (when the good stuff has been removed), xylene is used to remove traces of oil from the pulp and the resultant liquid allowed to stand. The xylene evaporates in a closed system because it does not react with the oil it leaves no taste marker and the resultant oil is sold on as just olive oil.

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Not f....d olive oil?

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02/13/2013 11:50 AM

He is "Olive's" FATHER and you better not manhandle that bottle of oil! Does he have a shotgun? That oil was produced in a Catholic convent by underage girls who have been cloistered from the menaces of society. Seriously, it is highly refined and purified, MAYBE. Or possibly just overpriced like "organic" bananas.

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