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Need Pipe Schedule Calculation formula with available Flow rate.

02/11/2014 4:50 AM

What is the standard formula for calculating the Pipe Size & schedule with available information of flow rate? For Example 400 m3/hr.

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02/11/2014 5:33 AM

What fluid? It matters!

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02/11/2014 6:15 AM

give some valid link for your claim.

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02/11/2014 6:27 AM

Sludge or helium. Tell me it doesn't matter. Oh, all right then.

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02/11/2014 7:44 AM

Fresh Water is the fluid.

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02/11/2014 8:05 AM

I'm sure its not a straight and level (Same elevation) pipe, is there any other information that you can provide

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02/11/2014 11:36 PM

Ya correct, Let i explain the criteria. The purpose of the question is we planned to do the hydro test in our one of tank construction site and planned to get a fresh water. Accordingly need to lay the temp pipe header lines from the buffer tank to each area by CS pipes. From there itself we planned to go with the flexible hoses for each tank. The issue is to reduce the time of operations we make a loops so we planned to fill the buffer tank minimum volume of 3000 m3 per day. It will be change as per the construction completion also. We planned with 6" 80 Sch CS pipes for Temp header lines. How ever if i know the Schedule and pipe calculation details then i can change my max Flow rate.

So, i am awaiting a Better solution in this regarding.

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02/11/2014 11:53 PM

The solution is to get someone who knows what they are doing.

Good luck.

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02/11/2014 9:09 AM

Google has a bazillion.

Do a search.

I want to Calculate the Pipe wall thickness when we have Schedule ...
My personal favorite:

1. All pipe is to be made of a long hole, surrounded by metal or plastic centered around the hole.

2. All pipe is to be hollow throughout the entire length.

3. All pipe is to be of the very best quality, preferably tubular or pipular.

4. All acid-proof pipe is to made of acid-proof metal.

5. The O.D. (outside diameter) of the pipe MUST EXCEED the I.D. (inside diameter) otherwise the hole will be on the outside of the pipe.

6. All pipe is to be supplied with nothing inside the hole so water, steam, or other stuff can be put inside the pipe at a later date.

7. All pipe is to be supplied without rust, as this can be more readily put on at the job site.

8. All pipe is to be free of any covering such as mud, tar, barnacles or any form of manure before putting up, otherwise it will make lumps under the paint.

9. All pipe over 500 feet in length must have the words "Long Pipe" clearly painted on each end so the fitter will know it is a long pipe.

10. Pipe over two miles long must also have "Long Pipe" painted in the middle so the fitter will not have to walk the entire length of the pipe to determine if it is a long pipe or not.

11. All pipes over six inches in diameter is to have the words "Large Pipe" painted on so the fitter will not use it for a small pipe.

12. All pipe closures are to be open on one end.

13. All pipe fittings are to be made of the same stuff as the pipe.

14. Pipe specified as "Straight Pipe" shall not have fittings within its length, otherwise it becomes "Crooked Pipe."

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02/11/2014 9:18 AM

Hazen-Williams, Darcy-Weisbach, and Colebrook formulas, together with a Moody chart. You can Web search all of these.

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02/11/2014 11:23 PM

Thanks for the reference.

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02/11/2014 9:35 AM

Pipe size depends mainly on the fluid flow and the pressure drop allowable. Though there are limits on velocity you don't want to exceed even if enough pressure drop is available.

Pipe schedule depends mainly on maximum fluid pressure.

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02/11/2014 10:18 AM

something to do with double the flow, the pressure is squared.

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02/11/2014 10:45 AM

In laminar flow, is flow rate proportional to pressure differential.


In but in full turbulent flow, the flow rate is proportional to the square root of pressure differential.

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02/11/2014 10:56 AM

Yes I know. Covered in #7, now he's been pointed in the right direction OP should take it from there. But it would be highly unusual to have laminar flow on water.

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02/11/2014 11:01 AM

I just put laminar flow in there, but the amount of information the OP provided, and one can only guess about the information that was suggested that is needed.,

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02/11/2014 11:14 AM

OK fair enough, to cover all bases!

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02/11/2014 11:18 AM

well, its a start anyways..........

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02/11/2014 5:17 PM

Size? For a liquid, keep the velocity between 1m/s and 3m/s. If it's outside these numbers, then it is incorrectly sized. If the liquid is a non-conducting flammable then keep to the bottom end of that range to minimise the risk of static electricity building up in the fluid.

Schedule? The schedule depends upon the wetted material, the pressure, and temperature. <...water...> If the water were potable at ambient temperature, it wouldn't be going in steel pipes, so the word schedule would not be applicable. Many sewage works, for example, use thin-walled stainless steel these days whereas new buried potable pipes are almost universally laid in blue polypropylene here. So it depends upon the application, which has not been revealed to the forum.

It is usual to select the piping materials on the basis on the maximum pressure and temperature in the system. It is time to gather more information from the Process Engineer about the application and the maxima and minima of both temperature and pressure before proceeding further. In fact, this is a very necessary step that Mechanical Engineers fail to appreciate, if a statistically significant sample of the entries to CR4's Mechanical Engineering columns were to be reviewed.

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02/12/2014 6:28 AM

Consider this as an example.

Flow rate = 400 m3/hr

Velocity in pipe = 3 m/sec

Flow rate = 400/3600 = 0.11 m3/sec

Cross Section Area of the pipe for above flow rate = Flow rate / Velocity = 0.11/3 = 0.0370 m2

Area of pipe = PI/4 x Dia^2

0.0370 = PI /4 x Dia^2

Dia = Sqrt (0.0370 x 4/PI)

= 0.217 m = 217mm

Selected Pipe = 200 NB

Outer dia of selected pip = 219.1mm

Thickness = 9.53

Hope this clarifies your need.

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02/12/2014 7:52 AM

Thanks. Really Helps. Also Thanx for everyone.

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02/12/2014 9:52 PM

good math work.but, from where thickness came? simply assumed

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02/12/2014 10:49 PM

Typical anonymous poster who doesn't know anything.

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02/13/2014 1:18 AM

The reply clearly states "Consider this as an example".

The thickness has been considered based on schedule as per ASTM 36.10M. Hope this clarifies your doubt.

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09/08/2015 1:12 AM

Dear Friend (anonymous

Also the Pipe Thickness can be calculated by using the Formula (p x d)/2 x t = Fs

where p = pressure in psi, d = Inner Dia of pipe in inches, t = thickness of pipe, Fs = Hoop Stress permissible for the piping material. For example, if it is MS pipe, for water mains at ambient temperature, the Hoop Stress is 12,000 psi.

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You mean of course (p x d)/(2 x t). I'm sure you know, but maybe OP doesn't. Why use Fs as a symbol for stress, hoop or otherwise? Usually it's f or s.

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Dear Mr. varunpassi,

Also the Pipe Thickness can be calculated by using the Formula (p x d)/2 x t = Fs

where p = pressure in psi, d = Inner Dia of pipe in inches, t = thickness of pipe, Fs = Hoop Stress permissible for the piping material. For example, if it is MS pipe, for water mains at ambient temperature, the Hoop Stress is 12,000 psi.

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09/09/2015 12:23 AM

Thank you Mr. Dhayanandhan.

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