Electronic water softener

The Electronic water softeners are taking the place of the Magnetic Water Softeners previously sold to the credulous denizens of the Free Energy Sites, and the ignorant and uninformed in general.

The New and Improved TESLA Water Softener will soon be offered to protect your plumbing, pipes, intestines and colon. In the mean time be sure to visit your local colonic therapist for your daily cleansing.

Why You NEED a DAILY Cleansing

But don't overdo it. One person did and the job was so thorough that he wore out the resonator, muffler, and Chrome Exhaust Pipe.

Lol.

I'll take that as a 'NO' vote !

"I'll take that as a 'NO' vote !"

Absolutely RIGHT ! A BIG FAT NO !

Removal of minerals, i.e. dissolved solids requires chemical removal by one method or another. Simplest method, for realatively small flows and economy of man power, is mixed bed resin units. Large users of demineralized water can treat the water in large open reservoirs or for extremely pure water it is double, sometimes triple, distilled for critical chemical analysis usage.

Sorry Stan you are not the man...you are wrong. This product works in the correct application.

Interesting! I have a need for DI water. Currently, the only way I can be assured of getting it is to put large amounts of distilled water through a multi-filter job, including a reverse osmosis filters. I need this to cool the inside of laser cavities where Voltage potentials are in the hundreds if not thousands of Volts - DI doesn't conduct almost anything. In fact it's one hell of an insulator!!!

Fraud so, tis all a scam (even the spell checker can see it, as it changed Fraid to Fraud). The same with the magnet versions. Only seriously believed by meths drinkers and the corn circle society.

What, does no one else watch "Red Dwarf".

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Foolish Marketer, your words are no match for my science!

Well, that's it. Mom was right. No more swallowing gum for me!

No she wasn't. The gum myth is just that, a myth.

Did you see that picture?! Sure looked like way too many Bazooka wads to me!!! I think I could even see a couple of the comics!!!

I think you're being a bit hasty, what about all the heart felt testimonials from people like "Anne from Iowa" (not her real name). Jeff

Impossible. The only way to soften water is to remove the ions causing the hardness.

If this were a viable technology, all the major chemical companies would be using it..

What many people fail to realise is that these scams have been around for a long time, many since electricity was first invented, others are much older. The trick is to learn from our follies and mistakes and move forward.

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"Wow, hey everyone I just came up with a new idea that will change the world, we run our cars on water using an electrolyzer. Fame and fortune here I come". <sigh, here we go again>.

What?! Cleaning your colon with electricity?! Yeow!!!

I try to stay up with the rest of you...

Could be a lot worse. Imagine what would happen if you had an attack of gas during the cleaning of your colon with electricity......

Pouffffff!!!!!

What?

Did someone turn two pages at once? Please explain using the big boy book with the big pictures as I am lost.

"If this were a viable technology, all the major chemical companies would be using it."

The usual reactionary reply! The major chemical companies want to sell chemical water treatment at exorbitantly high prices with the associated high profits. They themselves don't use the much less expensive magnetic or electronic methods less such fact(s) be found out and discredit their stance.

Watch for the soon forthcoming nano-mechanical separator that will separate the hard mineral components out of the incoming raw hard water, passing the pure water on to your kitchen faucet.

As has been said, they are 99.99% scam. I was recently asked by a farmer who had been quoted Au$4000 for aproduct which also promised to remove salt- I knew from my own experience in water treatment for steam boilers, that there was nothing new in water treatment- a quick look at Wickipaedia confirmed( water treatment) "claims not recognized by Science"- I advised the farmer, who then talked about a new dam in an area not salt- affected on his land. I remember an electro-magnetic unit installed in the boiler feed water line before I came along- after 11 months, at annual inspection preparation, I had never seen so much scale inside the boiler- & several tubes had to be replaced because of pitting corrosion.

Excellent answer!

I'll find a more entertaining project!.

I was sceptical myself because the 300 magnets I've fitted havn't done anything (joke).

I was wondering if I met get some positive evidence (from Anne of Iowa?)...but it's been a big resounding NO! (blimey I even got 2 from Stirling Sam!...I'll save one for later)

Thanks all,

Del

Heck! While yer at it, strap a couple o' cow magnets onto yer fuel line in yer truck (I'm assumin' you ain't no car drivin' pussy), and get another 50 miles per gallon!!!

Whow, hold that mule head thought. Don't tell the community here that the electronic equipment told the maintenance staff to not blow down the boiler?

I didn't think so, so please rephrase your post. As told by all who are na sayers the devise does nothing, so how could it order the staff to discontinue (Bottom Blow Down) maintenance. Not the surface blow down, you silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

Sound familiar.

Thank you in advance,

W.E.T.

My other half bought me one last Xmas. I'd have been far to sceptical to spend the money, but I fitted it, not having much choice. She de-scaled the badly furred kettle (with chemical) about the same time. Since then I've noticed no difference in amount of scum when washing in handbasin, but the kettle scale has not returned.

So I'm still 99% sceptical, but it may have done something. Though I can't think of any scientific explanation how it might work.

Codey

Another scam is that stuff you add to the washing machine to stop the heating element furring up. OK: it probably works, but, work out the cost over say a (conservative) year compared to the cost of a new element.

The only thing they effectively remove is money from your wallet.

I remember the magnetic fuel saver. They claim to "magnetize" fuel so they'll line up and result in better flow and atomization due to repulsion on magnet. They must have never throw a bunch of magnet together.

Pineapple

Firstly I have to admit that I have not (as yet!) built one of these devices, but I have read dozens of reviews (some from electronics magazines) and it would appear that the calcium is still in the water, but somehow modified so as not to stick to pipes and kettles.

Several people have said that even though they were very sceptical, they seem to work....

I even read of someone who's kettle, de-coked itself over the first 6 months of use.....

There was a New Scientist article about this phenomena, in the 1970's I believe.....

For people in the UK, there is a company that advertise in Everyday Electronics, who sells fairly cheap kits, I will have to try one out someday......

Ahh the internet (and media in general). I wouldn't trust a testimonial as far as I would kick it (you cannot kick an internet testimonial by the way). Remember Reality TV (bunch of paid actors). Beware the written media also, they are fooled almost as easily.

Well, apart from sounding like a conspiracy theorist, Sometimes it is best to just buy one and try yourself if you think it may work (especially if some of the principles seem to comply with scientific laws), as long as you can have some fun doing it (such as learning why it doesn't work and what is really happening).

Beware any product where the marketing looks like it has been written by a child or an idiot.

"Its, like, totally cool. The magnet around the fuel line aligns the fuel molucles so they are all pointing in the right way and makes them produce more power in your car."

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NOTE: This post has been verified by over 26,000 people (Bob Williams, Ted Turner, Alex the turtle, etc) all of which have prominent scientific and government positions, as well as the Draco aliens that came to me 13 June 2007 at 10:43 am EST and suggested I change "Its like, cool" to "Its, like, totally cool". I also have a working prototype of a free energy generator they gave me (its powering my computer right now) that has been sealed in a concrete bunker for the last 10 years.

"NOTE: This post has been verified by over 26,000 people (Bob Williams, Ted Turner, Alex the turtle, etc) all of which have prominent scientific and government positions, as well as the Draco aliens that came to me 13 June 2007 at 10:43 am EST and suggested I change "Its like, cool" to "Its, like, totally cool". I also have a working prototype of a free energy generator they gave me (its powering my computer right now) that has been sealed in a concrete bunker for the last 10 years."

Wait just a cotton pickin' minute, while I go get my tinfoil hat, coat, pants, gloves and shoes.

Be back soon.............

"I have read dozens of reviews (some from electronics magazines) and it would appear that the calcium is still in the water, but somehow modified so as not to stick to pipes and kettles.

Several people have said that even though they were very sceptical, they seem to work"

My company spends many millions of dollars each year on water treatment. We were approached a few years ago by a purveyor of a magnetic water softener. The claim was that the magnetic field would change lime into aragonite (a different crystalline form of calcium carbonate). He said that aragonite would not foul pipes and heating elements like lime. We did not believe his claims, in no small part because the calcium carbonate in hard water is dissolved, and therefore it is not in any crystalline form. It only becomes crystalline when it precipitates out of solution.

Never-the-less, we offered the following challenge. He could install one of his devices on a pipe conducting hard water. We would sample the water before and after the treatment. If his device affected the form of the calcium carbonate that precipitated from solution on evaporation, we would buy it.

The precipitates were analyzed by X-Ray Diffraction. In every case the precipitate was 100% lime- no aragonite was ever seen.

Bill Morrow

Nice.

That's a decent appraisal!

Ta

Del

I wonder if we are talking around the problem too much, although I am not of the opinion that the water is good enough for boilers or any other process, it is intreresting to hear that several people (here on CR4 and other places) note that the kettle remained free of calcium after long periods of time.

Perhaps this method is only good enough for household usage.....

I am determined within the next 12 months to try it out and see what happens in my kettle.....

Excellent...we await your report !

I'm only really trying to stop the holes in the showerheads blocking up!

Del

Basically thats my aim too, not forgetting that my kettle furs up of course!

The explanations I have read just say that the calcium does not deposit out, not that it is not there.....

Well, one could supply the non-potable side of the house with softened water, i.e. the incoming town mains goes through an ion-exchange softener prior to being tanked for use in the hot water system. There are economies to be sought in terms of the reduction or elimination of limescale on heating surfaces causing lower fuel bills and longer mean-time-between-failure of various household appliances. Naturally, local economics will need evaluation in each case.

It is not a good thing to supply softened water for drinking. Traces of calcium and magnesium are valuable to the body. Besides which, softened water tastes really horrible!

Good idea...

I shall investimigate!..

What size is the main water line coming into your home I will try to send you the proper unit for your home and you can see if the holes clean themselves out....you will see a diffence.

Mike

now that is a worthy test....

Mike

Lime will deposit onto the hot metal of the kettle only if the water is allowed to boil a while and the residual is not poured out. Probably why it is not now rescaling.

Others have said it--it don't work. No way any electrical or magnetic gizzmo is going to have any effect on calcium ions that are in the water. An impressed electrical current CAN keep scale from forming on pipes, but that would require the system be electrically isolated (ungrounded), which is against building codes.

Hello Keith

You say "Lime will deposit onto the hot metal of the kettle only if the water is allowed to boil a while and the residual is not poured out."

This is the case for permanent hardness, caused mainly by calcium sulphate. It only precipitates when concentrated by boiling water away so its solubility is exceeded. But temporary hardness, caused by calcium bicarbonate, is different. When the water boils the bicarbonate breaks down into CO₂ (goes to atmosphere) and insoluble calcium carbonate, which precipitates without boiling water away.

Not that the above makes the gadget any more likely to work.......

Sorry but you too are not correct. Under the right conditions this product will remove and prevent scale in pipes and certain boilers.

Mike Robertson

The easiest way to double your money is to fold it up and put it back in your wallet.

Mark Twain (I think)

I live in a dolomite area and our water supply are derived form the dolomites for 66% of the time. The pool Ph indicator shows a Ph of above 13. I am sure this water will beat any other source for calcium, magnesium and other contents.

A while ago I had a saleslady at my house selling one of this things. (i think it worked with electrodes but she did not say)

At one stage she passed a glass of water from the tap through the machine. It had a layer darker coloured water at the bottom. She handed me the glass with the question, would you drink this water? I replied yes and downed it. She were speechless and almost puked.

I then made her put a bottle of 'pure' water she had in her bag through the machine. (I saw the label and knew it was from a dolomite related source)

When she saw the results she took her stuff and left without saying much.

I believe she quited the same day.

About calcium absorption. The body cannot absorb more than it require and I believe that almost none is absorbed from the water. My wife must take calcium tablets in spite of the abundant supply in the water.

Continues boiling of the water leaves a bad taste.

The kettle is cleaned on a regular basis. (mild acid mix) It however eventually destroys the bimetal strip. You actually have to bribe the kettle to work.

"I then made her put a bottle of 'pure' water she had in her bag through the machine. (I saw the label and knew it was from a dolomite related source)

When she saw the results she took her stuff and left without saying much."

Great story of out conning the con artist.

I suppose that all this talk of calcification is important, assuming it's plumbing's equivalent to high cholesterol in one's veins. However, my grandfather in the Central Valley had a kettle that was used every day for making tea and coffee. Looking down inside, you could see a ¼" layer of white stuff at the bottom of the kettle, but it never seemed to foul the taste. In fact, it tasted better than water from his tap... YUCK!!!

Of course, he got his water from a well. And looking back on it now I'd say calcium was the least of his worries. I would love to take a container of it to a chemist and have it analyzed. It was also probably full of arsenic and selenium and who knows!!! And are these electric hoop-a-joops supposed to take care of all of that stuff, too?

And are these electric hoop-a-joops supposed to take care of all of that stuff, too?

Yes, they convert it from being there to not being there and they do it very quickly and efficiently...... no wait, that is the money in you wallet.

Good one!

Hey Verm'...could we maybe have one day a week without the bouncing? It's giving me a headache!

I will if you stop changing your avatar... This one's pretty cool.