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We won't stop using it, and here's a plausible solution to directly burning it.

http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/commodities/could-coal-replace-oil.aspx

Get read of the use of Coal as well as Oil, ok. The ballast of the earth will be less and less. Every day the earth will loose 100-million ton of weight. This happen when Coal and Oil is GAS. Do your calculations your selfe, ok.

I've actually contemplated that concept before, if I'm reading you correctly. I thought of it a long time ago, when I cut open a golf ball and found the oil inside.........I wondered if, by sucking the oil out of the earth, if we could somehow throw it off balance.

I still think it could be plausible. But that would bring other things into question, like is fossil fuel truly made from the remains of ancient plant and animal life. And if it is, how did the earth maintain it's equilibrium before the oil was here?

I don't think you're a spammer, although I also don't think your post is a solution, not right away, anyway. Maybe some smarter people than me will jump in and offer their thoughts.

Listening, do not do anything, do not think, follow the stream and you will se the way we all are going. So many "clever" people could count out things but WHO knows the solutions? Any normal human could se that something is wrong, no one have been living here for 100-thousand years, it means thar what someone say could be wrong as well as not. Talk, talk and talk but I like to save the world from moore sh*t of any sort, coal or oil. Many people could count as well, but will this counting be correct? Peoples only interest is how to get a new car and luxury life, not many think about whats going on all over the globe.

GA..........That's the kind of answer that keeps me hanging around here.

I am reminded of a similar story that appeared in the Journal of Irreproducible Results, which predicted the imminent demise of New York City and the coast of California.

http://www.jir.com/geographic.html

It seems that continuing publication of National Geographic magazine was transferring concentrated wood (paper) from the forests to big cities on the coasts at a rate of two pounds per issue times millions of copies of the magazine each month.

Since no one ever throws away a copy of National Geographic, the article predicted that the billions of pounds of accumulated paper concentrated in small areas would soon cause New York City and the California coast to break off and fall into the sea.

That article was published in 1974, and--as far as I know--New York hasn't fallen into the sea yet.

Sorry, seldom so many of us "not normal" people have heard so much craps as here. Buddy, IF you move something like National Geographic Magazine from one place to another on the earth, the earth will NOT lose its weight, ok. If you move 100 ton of this above mentioned magazine, newspaper from one place to another, the earth will NOT losing its weight. We are talking about Coal and Oil and how this will be GAS and so the earth is losing its weight, COMPRENDE… If you are moving your body from one side of the earth to the other side, the earth will not losing any weight, ok. We do love these "intelligent" supporters. Keep on boys, we will grow more and more day by day if you support us with "news" like this. But one simple, very simple truth it is; IF you are firing up 1 thousand liter of oil, the earth will LOSE the weight with around 1 thousand kilo, the same will happen if you fire up 1 thousand ton of coal, the earth is losing 1 thousand ton, ok. You could talk and talk about this as long as you like, but GAS is ALWAYS LIGHTER than Coal or Oil, yes, so it is.

Some serious "gas" in this post.

I think a more accurate description would be post digestion ruminant byproducts :D

the atmosphere is still part of the system that is this planet, no amount of shouting of 1/2 baked theories will change that.

Dearest Leo ~ to put it bluntly, permitting myself to use "language flowers" - I wouldn't give a damn, what Mr. Yosef, whoever he is, has to say about any of your work and findings. You and I know very well that today's crop of "experts" and "scientists" couldn't find their own ass to wipe, unless they had a "computer model" showing them where and how (somehow those kind of words and expletives don't sound so bad, when i is not in your own language). We have at a minimum one generation of completely computer dependent morons, who have absolutely no grasp on real life application of real, everyday practical sciences. I am sure; you have run into that over and over again. I certainly see it in my research. I could iterate a long list of proofs, but why care? I don't take them seriously and don't waste my time on them. Dr .Hanna.

As Foghorn Leghorn might say, "That's a joke, son."

The Journal of Irreproducible Results is a humor magazine for scientists.

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So what about the rest of the cycle?

You know the part where those byproduct gasses produced get reabsorbed by plants and turned back into solids again, the water vapor produced condenses and falls back as rain, the solid particles settle out and everything eventually comes back to where it started on or in the ground but just in a slightly different chemical composition.

Several exchanges of energy did happen but no mass is or was ever lost.

Boy, is your physics screwy! Gas is less dense, but not lighter, because there is more volume of it. Besides, combustion of coal also produces ash.

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Mr kastrupsky I notice you seldom, if ever, deign to reply to my comments.

Could it be because you know you cannot "win" against science, so would rather pretend I don't exist?

Another 'science fact' for you is; each ton of carbon burned produces ~3.6 tons of CO2.

Apply your special brand of logic to that, and the 'globe' is getting heavier.

Geeze Vlad

all the time with the science

Mr, wow, we did not know that 1 ton of burned coal will produces 3.6 ton CO2. But the "real" people could not find these equations correct at all. Could you explain this for us "not normal" people. If we count with your "calculations" we are surprised that we could breathe at all here in this atmosphere. 1 billion ton coal will be burned every day, (and even more) there will be 3 billion six hundred ton CO 2 EVERY day. This times 365 days will be 1 314 000 000 000, the earth could explode any minute. How is it possible for us to breathe? If we even count in at least 1 Billion ton of Oil burned every day, wow, we have to bike away.

Oh ya and your coal usage number of a Billion tons a day is off by a factor of about 33 times. The 2010 world coal consumption estimate is at around 11 Billion tons not 365 billion.

I seriously suggest that if you want anyone to think you have more intelligence than the average retarded monkey that you stop taking the environutter web sites numbers and purported "facts" as the truth. They lie and twist the numbers worse than most government officials and have as much if not more personal agenda driving their actions a any corrupt third world leader does.

"we are surprised that we could breathe at all here in this atmosphere"

Well there was a time when we couldn't have, but then, along came a wondrous 'magic', with a strange and mysterious name.

To this day they teach this Magic to Chosen Children, some as young as 10 years, in special secrete places, I dare not name.

To become one of the "Chosen", a candidate has to have "a measurable IQ", as it has been shown, candidates in the 'gray area' below 80 points, struggle with the ancient hieroglyphics.

But many master the basic mysteries and can even "put name" to such as these ancient mysterious encryptions.

For example;

2n CO₂ + 2n H₂O + photons → 2(CH₂O)_n + 2n O₂

_{Once mastered, they may even move to 'higher studies'}

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

Um - perhaps there is hope.

Could this be a turning point in your Consistently refusing to be enlightened on how it actually works.

Have you realised that repeating the same uninformed mantra is Consistently unproductive among people who do understand how it works?

Are you now asking yourself how 'Consistent' was posting the same answer to many different comments?

"Imagination" is only "useful" when the knowledge to achieve the 'dream' is acquired.

Otherwise it is just fantasy.

Give it some thought.

I´m always searching for the talented people... Not the opposite...

Having a look at your site, I see smoke not much in the way of substance, there are some pretty pictures of shiny buildings

maybe hendrik14 & wilmont could use a partner? [damn I forgot DAs]

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OK, Guest. Here's the substance and the answer to the OP's question:

" Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air" http://www.withouthotair.com/ And the author, David JC MacKay's website:

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/

The book is readily available in paperback of high quality. One source:

http://www.amazon.com/Sustainable-Energy-Without-Hot-Air/dp/0954452933/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_1/192-4831520-2982815

But the entire book, chapter by chapter, is available on line at the first link cited above.

The old timers here have seen this info before. I try to avoid being repetitive. The general subject of energy and climate change gets a lot of discussion on CR-4. IMHO if one is to get a grip on what the energy future of any nation and what our planet as a whole will look like one would do well to study and adopt the methodologies presented by MacKay in this book. While he presents as his example the case applicable to the UK his methodology, adaptable to basic spreadsheet calculations, would be appropriate for analyzing the situation for any advanced nation that publishes relevant statistics on population, demographics and energy production and use.

You may or may not agree with whatever conclusions Mackay presents in his writings as well as the various constants in his calculations. But it is hard to disagree with his methodology in general. And by adopting it, even in simplified terms, whatever conclusions you present will have far more credibility that a simple repetition of some statistic plucked out of the vast internet forest.

Ed Weldon

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wait, yew mean this planet is making me look fat?

Well it could if you refuse to recycle

"so the earth is losing its weight". So where is it going? I wish I could lose weight like the earth!

I see you fall back on classic tactics

1) accuse your opponent of using the methods you are employing

2) repeat the same misconception(s) & hope it will be accepted as fact

many members here have given basic explanations of how coal & petroleum are converted into other compounds, matter isn't destroyed or lost... no matter how many times you post your misguided notions, these processes remain as they have always been

sadly your understanding of even the most basic science, seems elusive

Perhaps you should stick with renderings of houses for the wealthy?

You are without a doubt a legend in your own mind

In short why are you here?

WTF are you smoking or what cave do you live in any way?

If you want solid proof take a basic chemistry class. See my number 84 post for the math and proof of how it works. Every Science department of any college, university or even most good high schools have basic equipment that can prove that what we say is both a true and a well known and understood science. You can even do a simple test yourself. Use a accurate scale and burn a few ounces or grams of coal inside a large sealed container and see if the container gets lighter or stays the same.

As far as Einstein goes you are gross disgrace to his name and work by just commenting on it in the context that you use it. You could have just as well used the Wright Brothers, Tesla, Edison, or any other of the greats of science just like most any other Pseudo science goofs do.

The Earth is getting heavier not lighter also being there are thousands of tons of space dust and debris being accumulated and adding mass to the planet every day. Read up on meteors and meteorites if you want to know how that science works.

BTW, it wouldn't hurt to brush up on your writing skills by using some basic proof reading and spell checks before submitting your ramblings. It greatly adds to a persons plausible knowledge credit by showing a little proper writing skills and understandings of how to properly apply the written languages of the people to whom you wish to communicate with. It doesn't have to be perfect but at least showing you made an honnest effort makes a huge difference in how you will be viewed.

(Personal post #1500!)

While your altruistic bent for promoting a sustainable, renewable energy future is most admirable, you really must have some firm footing in the basics in order to realize it.

Otherwise....

But ........Can We Get Rid of Troll? Methinks we have attracted one :

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. ………. Wikipedia

I do believe this one breached the barrier between legitimate discussion and troll behavior when he started copying the same identical and lengthy statements as responses to several different postings.

Ed Weldon

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More importantly, where does the mass go when we burn coal and oil? Do we just lose it, if so where does it go, or does it just disappear?

More importantly, the mass will be GAS when we burn coal and oil? And we just lose it, and where does it go? Out true university and it just disappear? If something else could be, we could not live here anymore, COMPRENDE! Nothing, NOTHING at all of all this GAS could be taken care of by our earth, ok. And IF, could you "intelligential" tell me where it could be? And, please, do not copy some books or something like that; you have to PROOF it, nothing else, ok. I and several real scientists could proof what we say, yes. Power to the earth…PS, you have to PROOF your solutions, then we could do so as well...

So where did you learn all of your scientific material at anyway?

Believe me we all want to know who taught you what you know.

We comprehend, but it's clear you don't

why is it your 1/4 baked ranting is supposed to be accepted as fact?

but basic chemistry is fiction?

extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof

what leads you to believe the world of science is wrong?

if an "theory" needs proof it would be yours

Who is this "we" you claim to support your imaginings? several members have provided links to help you understand

Can you cite any reference materials?

Study and you will find out yourself, ok

The earth is NOT a CLOSED system. Can YOU proof it, and we means PROOF, nothing else, ok. Come back from the blue... How could the water from the moon "run" away? Some scientists have "found out" this.

"How can water from the moon run away?" WTF does that even mean?

If you are referring to the lunar ice deposits, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_water, That is a whole different thing but that too is well known in the scientific community as to how and why it formed and manages to be still there today.

In a zero atmosphere conditions, vacuum of space, solid ice will do something called sublimation which means it turns directly from solid to vapor and skips the liquid phase all together. However when water ice is kept at near absolute zero temperatures that sublimation effect becomes incredibly slow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(phase_transition)

And again if you know so much more about how the world works than us why are you not giving use references to where you learned what you claim to know so that we too can learn it as well?

Even if you disagree with someone, it's never appropriate to use insults or other offensive language. Rude comments don't add any value to a discussion, and only divert attention away from the author's work. It's perfectly fine to offer constructive criticism, just be polite.

What insult?

why are you here? you feel it is fine for you to be rude & that you are somehow more informed than the membership here

when I ask you to prove it, you act the injured party, which is a typical diversionary tactic...

using the same post with very minor revisions, is another method to try to reinforce a non-existent or weak argument

You secret man. Even if you disagree with someone, it's never appropriate to use insults or other offensive language. Rude comments don't add any value to a discussion, and only divert attention away from the author's work. It's perfectly fine to offer constructive criticism, just be polite.

No secret

I know Bullshyt when I read it, no insult, just an observation of what is clear to everyone who hasn't bailed out of the thread.

What value does your flight of fancy add to this thread?

until you decided to switch to copy n paste replies, there was at least some mild entertainment

Can you tell me who the author of this blog entry is? I think not, so trying to defend the author of this bit of infotainment is yet another diversion

What was the question?

Do you think it is possible for us to stop using coal? If so, when? And how will we do it? Do you have a plausible solution?

the answers:

yes

not in the foreseeable future

there won't be one solution, it will come to pass through a series of incremental innovations & improvements in efficiency

boring pragmatisim I know, but the question is kind of vague....

Thank you, secret man, for that fine recap and an answer with which I am positively in accord.

You, as well as so many other"brilliant minded" know EVERYTHING about mine and ALL of the Patent in the world during Floating Energy Barges, ok. Why are you wondering about my inventions? Answer me only this here, ok. Did YOU really KNOW ALL constructions for Floating Energy Barges, all over the world? Do you REALLY know all the inventions during Wind Power, Sun Power and ALL other patent and Innovations from all over the globe for HOW to SAVE the World from crashing totally? Do you know everything now happening all over the globe? Cool down and use your head. Doesn't matter how smart you all think you are, there is always one who is smarter than you, ok. It doesn't mean it´s me, but there are smarter guys around the globe, but they do not like to be arguing with so intelligent people like you, here in this forum. Right now, I have to deliver my 36^th Floating Energy Barge, and my 27^th Wind Mill and my 164-thousand Energy Blinds, this week. You see, my mentor 50 years back, gave to me the best word anyone could give; DO IT, and let NOBODY STOP you… My mentors name? INGVAR KAMPRAD, IKEA, and he are now one of the richest men on earth, ok. Smile boys, smile, and always try to stop those who really like to save our globe. One more question, are you doing anything for saving the globe? If yes, tell people and do something REAL.

I have one simple question. How much of your sales, percentage wise, is supplied by government grants, gov't loans, or other tax based subsidies? I have no problem with alternative energies. I have used them for years, and have even invested in a few that I thought were useful, promising, and self-sustaining. However, I do not think that new industries should be propped up by government mandates or tax breaks just so they can get close to the same cost per KWH of existing power supplies.

The real answer is NO...or at least not until it all runs out.

We need coal (not really very much) for the steam locomotives on our preservation railways. We ought to keep them in original condition, so we shouldn't change to oil or gas, and the stoker wants to keep his job.

Outside of that, I think you've said it all.

According to the International Energy Agency, in order to transition from a world that gets 81% of its energy from fossil fuels and to cut CO₂ emissions to just 14 gigatons/yr, this is what will have to be built every year between now and 2050:

35 coal-fired and 20 gas-fired power plants with carbon capture and storage

30 nuclear power plants

12,000 onshore wind turbines paired with 3,600 offshore ones

45 geothermal power plants

325 million square meters-worth of photovoltaics

55 solar-thermal power plants

_{The IEA does not guarantee that these power infrastructure additions will prevent the Earth from losing mass, falling off its axis, and swinging into the sun.}

You, as well as so many other"brilliant minded" know EVERYTHING about mine and ALL of the Patent in the world during Floating Energy Barges, ok. Why are you wondering about my inventions? Answer me only this here, ok. Did YOU really KNOW ALL constructions for Floating Energy Barges, all over the world? Do you REALLY know all the inventions during Wind Power, Sun Power and ALL other patent and Innovations from all over the globe for HOW to SAVE the World from crashing totally? Do you know everything now happening all over the globe? Cool down and use your head. Doesn't matter how smart you all think you are, there is always one who is smarter than you, ok. It doesn't mean it´s me, but there are smarter guys around the globe, but they do not like to be arguing with so intelligent people like you, here in this forum. Right now, I have to deliver my 36^th Floating Energy Barge, and my 27^th Wind Mill and my 164-thousand Energy Blinds, this week. You see, my mentor 50 years back, gave to me the best word anyone could give; DO IT, and let NOBODY STOP you… My mentors name? INGVAR KAMPRAD, IKEA, and he are now one of the richest men on earth, ok. Smile boys, smile, and always try to stop those who really like to save our globe. One more question, are you doing anything for saving the globe? If yes, tell people and do something REAL.

What are you on about now?

you have moved on to Name dropping then?

saying floating energy barge is meaningless, unless you elaborate on the technology involved

If you are trying to do some marketing or wrangle some investments $'s you ain't very good at it

once again why are you here?

Well, I fail to see how your response relates to my post, or to the original post. I was musing about what it would take to transition to an almost carbon-free energy future, and took the time to cite an actual reference along the way.

You, on the other hand, see fit to hold high a man known to be wealthy (who cares), a purveyor of flimsy decorations, and a fascist.

You, as well as so many other"brilliant minded" know EVERYTHING about mine and ALL of the Patent in the world during Floating Energy Barges, ok. Why are you wondering about my inventions? Answer me only this here, ok. Did YOU really KNOW ALL constructions for Floating Energy Barges, all over the world? Do you REALLY know all the inventions during Wind Power, Sun Power and ALL other patent and Innovations from all over the globe for HOW to SAVE the World from crashing totally? Do you know everything now happening all over the globe? Cool down and use your head. Doesn't matter how smart you all think you are, there is always one who is smarter than you, ok. It doesn't mean it´s me, but there are smarter guys around the globe, but they do not like to be arguing with so intelligent people like you, here in this forum. Right now, I have to deliver my 36^th Floating Energy Barge, and my 27^th Wind Mill and my 164-thousand Energy Blinds, this week. You see, my mentor 50 years back, gave to me the best word anyone could give; DO IT, and let NOBODY STOP you… My mentors name? INGVAR KAMPRAD, IKEA, and he are now one of the richest men on earth, ok. Smile boys, smile, and always try to stop those who really like to save our globe. One more question, are you doing anything for saving the globe? If yes, tell people and do something REAL.

Earth is a 'closed system' - unless you intend to export the "100-million ton of weight" by launching it, or piping it to another place, you can't change the mass.

I suggest you re-"Do your calculations your selfe, ok."

The earth is NOT a CLOSED system. Can YOU proof it, and we means PROOF, nothing else, ok.

More importantly, the mass will be GAS when we burn coal and oil? And we just lose it, and where does it go? Out true university and it just disappear? If something else could be, we could not live here anymore, COMPRENDE! Nothing, NOTHING at all of all this GAS could be taken care of by our earth, ok. And IF, could you "intelligential" tell me where it could be? And, please, do not copy some books or something like that; you have to PROOF it, nothing else, ok. I and several real scientists could proof what we say, yes. Power to the earth… PS, you have to PROOF your solutions, then we could do so as well...

"The earth is NOT a CLOSED system. Can YOU proof it, and we means PROOF, nothing else, ok."

You don't seem to believe in "science", so maybe we need a personal empirical exercise here.

See if you can throw something small off Earth so it doesn't fall back.

Now if you can manage that, try throwing off the mass of the biosphere.

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"I and several real scientists could proof what we say, yes."

When 'real scientists' are growing up, they do an experiment ^{_{(in a secret place that cannot be named)}} which involves burning ^_(oxidizing) things in bell jars and finding there is no change in ^_(mass) weight.

Can any one of your 'real scientists' "POOF" a different outcome?

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Note; the bell jar mimics the 'gravitationally contained biosphere'

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BUT; IF your "scientists" could "Dis PROOF" all above; by say making a spaceship out of CO₂, and "PROOF" of it just floats away from Earth ....... ?

Nations would throw money at you and NASA would be out of business.

What laws and where? The globe has no laws at all. The only law there is it, is to SAVE the globe, nothing else. Solutions we have, Floating Energy Barges in the rivers of the globe will save the world totally. 6.5 million kilometers of rivers will take care of all what the globe need. And people use more power in their house as they need. Why are people heating up schools when they are not in there? 200 days per year the school is empty. Office buildings are empty 150 days per year, why warming them up or cooling them down. Why are people heating up there house when they are not home? It´s interesting how little people of today think. Many yeast talk, talk and talk, they do not like to say that they do not understand at all. NO ONE, doesn't matter who, do not know the whole thing about our earth, no one have the correct answer, ok. Confess and be happy...

I confess.........I drank lots of beer last night.

Your surch is over.........I'm also an Elvis impersonator.

GA

Of course, our fave Entremanure was actually trying to respond to me "Laws" wise, but I think I'll wait till the Savior of Earth finds someone talented enough to click on the right button for him.

What school system are you part of? ours are open 36 weeks a year and have activities going most Saturdays and for much of the summer time as well which means most public school buildings are used in one fashion or another 300+ days a year.

And what businesses are you referring to? Most here are open 6.5 to 7 days a week 52 weeks a year which works out to 338 - 365 days a year they are in use.

Ok, we will checking your information's, we know people in Dakota. No holydays, a Christmas, no summer free days, we wonder and will find out this in Dakota. And I do hope there will be some people here who really know the system in Dakota. And as you mean people are in there home 365 DAYS, the whole day per year as well, ALL in the family, all over the world? In every office people work 365 days per year? Boy, try to lie to someone else. Power...

What lies?

I never said a thing about homes but yes many homes do have people in them all day every day. You know preschool children, retired people, elderly, and or just to lazy to get a job. Those groups still count as people that are at home far more than anywhere else.

The vast majority of stores and normal businesses are open Monday through Saturdays normal hours and Sundays are typically noon to 5 PM if not all day and many are open 24/7/365 too. In my book that counts as 6.5+ days a week they are open and active to me and many even though they are not open to the public still have people working there doing one thing or another.

As far as schools go my parents where both life long teachers and I know for a fact a good number of people are in those buildings a lot more often than just when the students are there. Many teachers show up at 6 AM to get ready for there days and many others stay late to finish their work. Custodial crews and maintenance workers are there after hours and during weekends along with any other faculty who choose to come in on Saturdays and Sundays for what ever reason. Then there is the whole after school and weekend related activities pertaining to sports and other extra curricular stuff that goes one at other days and times outside of school hours that also cover summer time days as well. By my measure schools don't sit vacant for the majority of the year by any rational means.

Check all you want.

Tcmtech, ok argue against everything and you will be happy. You are one of thouse who know EVERTHING arround the globe, the people who is reading your comments know what you are, yes.

Aww, are you getting pissy over the math I used earlier that suggests how infinitesimally small we and our actions really are?

You also referred to where I live as "Dakota" like its a town where you know people at but but I suspect that like most everything else you have said here you don't know WTF you are talking about. For the record I live In North Dakota which is located in the center of the North American continent in the United States of America.

Regarding my knowing things well actually I am one of those rare people who is just smart enough to realize how much I don't know but unfortunately that intelligence does still place me far enough over the likes of people who believe the earth looses mass when things burn to well... You figure it out, I am rather confident the rest here can make their own decisions as to who knows more about what around here.

As far also what everyone else thinks about me I guess I have to reluctantly fall back on to referencing the good answer rating ratio they bestow on me and the fact I at least know where to find things on a world map.

The ball is in your court but I doubt you even know what game we are playing here.

We, all of us, understand very well, you are playing some game, reality is something else. Play on boys, play on.

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When there is a practical explanation of the magnitude of the numbers & forces involved you scoff & reply with blather

I'm not sure what posting the same condemnation of science multiple times is supposed to accomplish?

Just because you don't understand how to harness the power of information technology, does not negate the power.

in short why are you here?

what's your point?

What, WHAT are you doing for the globe? How could you do anything for the world? Talk will not save the world from more pollution, ok. It´s better to be positive than opposite, ok. You could help the world by doing something, YES! So many "brilliant" minds here, but not many know what's going on with the globe. How to save the world is what we are talking about. How to stop ruin the globe by using Coal and Oil, this is the questions, nothing else, ok. Negatively people, stay home and do not help us other to save the globe from exhaust and bad influence. Do never support the men who like to do something or nothing at all. So many people KNOW things that never exist, but they have lots of fantasy, very few people like to have explanations if they do not understand; this is low, very low. Most people like to have war instead of peace, often I wonder WHY.

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"..Greenpeace to college students to environmentalists.." will just have to get used to nuclear, with wind, tidal, geothermal and solar having important niches.

It's simple really. Ffej

I agree with you about how much we depend on coal, I am even burning coal in my home right now. I can heat my house for a month for $150, that's cheaper than natural gas or oil.

I also agree with you that its a money game, economics play a huge roll in why we do what we do.

I agree that at this point and time renewable energy cant produce enough electricity to supply what coal is, but that is just because its relatively new technology.

I believe with more education, research, and refining of this new technology it will become economically plausible to use and could eventually produce enough electricity to power the world without the need for coal.

Dear Sir...may I buy you a drink!

Coal first, then Fission...I think it's time that the Fed stop hiding the technology of the future...H2O.

The question is not technology, but that the sun is free and H2O isn't all that more expensive.

So, how do you replace the fossil fueled global economy and "WHO GETS PAID".