An old adage about statistics: "Figures lie, and liars figure".

Psa 109:8-10 "Good one." Be careful though in this age of NDAA.

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I have nothing against the religious, I am religious

But the problem is when you bring your religion into politics, you cannot avoid bringing politics into your religion

Despite some comments, a freedom from religion is implied in freedom of religion

And I don't think any of us would like an overt theocracy since the next thing we would face is sectarian clashes for power.

The same people that got bent over that were saying more than just suggestions against the previous Commander in chief....for the last 11 years and still haven't stopped yet. And the current one (Commander in Chief) is the worst offender.

Like I said...people being overly touchy....considering the things they have been saying themselves......time for a chill pill everyone.

Whats this have to do with German autoworkers pay anyway? Lets get back to topic.

WOW

What an absurd, explosive thread this has turned into.

Maybe the the US should take another lesson from post war Germany and ban any Neo-Klan organizing and sentiments.

Don't need a ban...they are already considered pariahs by the overwelming majority of the people today anyway. Besides there is the First amendment.

I hope that you're correct that we don't need a ban. A ban would contradict the first amendment. I agree that any change to this bastion of American politics and society should never be casually changed. Then again, even pariahs can gain followers.

Hate crimes and hate organizations are banned under extensions of civil rights law. Though what may be banned under ADAA I probably ought to go read up on.

The problem is enforcement is very subjective....you have outfits like La Raza and Casa Di Maryland which are even worse....not to mention Black Panthers, NAACP and a number of others...all of whom are allowed to exist and all are racist in nature.

Yeah...there is plenty of blame to go around.....ALL around.

While I agree enforcement can be uneven, the groups you cite are not similar in any way.

Racially focused and racist are not the same.

And even the most violent periods of political/racial activism by the groups you name never racked up the death toll of the Klan.

If you can't tell the difference between even violent activism and night riders - I don't...I'm speechless...

Most of those I mentioned actively promote and encourage crimes and violation of existing laws....and ALL of them participate in activities that deny other Races their rights. And if a simular group that what White in nature did any of that, they would not be given the same treatment.

Some of them could actually be charge under RICO....by conspiring to violate a number of laws... but calling them activists is like calling the KKK activists. None of them are really much different from the others. They all think their particular group is superior to the others. And all cry about the behaviors of others they themselves practice.

Dude, having grown up around both I can personally attest you are absolutely wrong where it counts.

The number of whites who feared the Klan attest to the fact that they are not the same.

And I am certainly not a tea partier, but I have strong opinions on obedience to unjust laws. Era I was raised in I suppose.

But your brush is too broad if it covers what you term law breakers in the same stroke as people who drag humans to death behind trucks.

Picking only two to give examples of......and keep it brief. Because I don't care to participate in this tangent any longer.

I see Casa Di Maryland openly violating Immigrations laws daily....and calling for others to violate the law....which is a crime.

There are VIDEOS of the Black Panthers in Philly with Billy Clubs intimidating white voters at the polling places. Thats a serious crime...

And NONE of what they were doing is UNJUST???????

I've actually personally known people who were ranking officials in the Klan (they however have had NOTHING to do with it for decades)...didn't make me ever want to join it...or even agree with it. Which I never have, ever.

They aren't well liked OR popular in the White community in ANY state. Nor is any other White supremacy group. In fact I can't name a single person I know that likes any of them today.

But whites have exactly the same rights as any other group does.....so if those groups don't like something, then they shouldn't be participating in it themselves.

If we have a NAACP, then we should have a NAAWP too. After all...its all about equality...each group is entitled to have an equal group. Or is this really the old....some people are more equal than others argument?

Seems like the people that think its fine to treat some as more equal than others also felt entitled to bash Bush with false accusations for 11 years (everyone remember Rathergate) and yet be indignant Obama isn't given the reverance of a Religious figure. When he is simply a man and a politician like everyone else.

It is your tangent, so do what you want.

Some people are always more equal than others, but feel free to start a NAAWP if you want - that is what I helped fight for.

Unjust and crime are entirely different subjects.

To use your examples:

It is unfair and unjust to discriminate against any people on the job. It is very hard to legislate fairness.

It is a violation of law to harbor an illegal immigrant. It is a crime of a statutory nature - it breaks a rule.

It is a violation of a human's civil rights to beat him to death for being of a skin color (or any other reason). We are all entitled to live. So this is not a crime of broken statute or rule. It is life taking and violates rules beyond civil law in that it is recognized as above civil law.

So I stand by what I said - these are not equal violations.

Bush, I am a firm believer in a return to civility of politics and his party tore up a lot of those rules. I objected to the Republican "win at any cost" approach to politics under Newt 1 and Rove and do still. I objected when the Dixiecrats jumped to the Republicans and the following compromises to bring every wingnut in the country under the Republican banner. BUT you don't get to tear up the rules and then bitch when you get hoisted on your own petard.

I also believe the President is supposed to rule both sets of citizens and as such should accorded the respect of his office.

I am frequently alone in these sentiments.

And personally I'd like to clop the bastard who decided religion had any place in the world beyond a man or woman's heart.

I am sick to death of people justifying their crap in the name of any god.

I cheapens religion to bring politics into it.

Clearly doesn't bother a lot of religious people, so I am apparently alone again.

I didn't take this off on the tangent....I invite you to go back through the thread and look at post times and dates....those prove it wasn't me.

Encouraging the commission of a crime...is a crime....Illegals broke the law...just the same as encouraging someone to rob a bank for you...both cases LAWS are broken.

Nobody here was talking about dragging anyone out and beating them...or justifying it...but what happened in the past...is the past....this is the present, and we have to live in it and look towards the future. YOu can't drive a car if you spend all yout time looking out the back window....and its the same with life...you have to stop looking back...and start looking forward.

Even though there have been several cases where Whites were accused of things that were later proven to be completely innocent off.....Think the duke Lacross incident as one, thats more than vice versa.

I respect peoples religious beliefs as long as they aren't trying to convert me to theirs....

The Bill of right says a "freedom OF religion" Not a "freedom FROM religion" SO I've got nothing more to say there.

I agree with you...many of the worlds problems are the result of politics and religion being combined. (for the sake of this comment I consider Aetheism as a form of religion). The USSR and China both as examples of the other extreme of it.

And as far as political Figures.....they are just people.... they aren't above criticism. Doesn't matter if they are white or Black. They put their pants on just like the rest of us. Just look at North Korea as an example of what happens there with the "above criticism thing"

Randouli started the veer OT with his attaboy to Ron's incitement to violence of a signature line. You joined right in & proceeded to show yourself as another petty racist masquerading as conservative

Prove it then......The people throwing accusations around are usually guilty of what they accuse others of.

I've stated time and time again....every group should have EQUAL rights and privileges. Not certain ones having MORE than others the way it is now.....

Being Racist is thinking one group is better and thus entitled to something the others aren't. Something YOU support...not me. And I'm already on the record of saying that....in posts that are already locked.

prove what? that you are a mentally & socially challenged? I'll leave than to the expert

You

see posts 33 & 43, where you make vague accusations against some groups, probably because they are furthering the cause of equal protection. your tone is telling, along the lines of how dare they not be white...

Aww, c'mon guys

We didn't have to peel the onion very far to find he isn't the racist he came off sounding in his initial post.

That said, a few more qualifiers on a subject as charged in America as race might save a lot of misunderstandings

Get a life Anonymous poster #1....YOU make unfounded and rude personal attacks and claims and refuse to back them up.....and you don't even have the courage to not do it anonymously.....THAT alone says everything.

And its YOU both who are the racists....you think YOUR group is entitled to privledges and rights OTHER groups aren't because your group are superior. That is the definition of racist.

I think everyone is equal and should have equal rights. AND HAVE REPEATED said so...You both on the other hand Don't. And Neither of you have proven otherwise....yet you both have proven my point in your rants. Cripes....this isn't Jr. High. So drop this crap. I expect more maturity than I'm seeing here.

Talk to yourselves..I have nothing further to say to either of you.

Both?

^{I think he means you and I}

and you don't even have the courage to not do it anonymously.....THAT alone says everything.

I can assume your given name is smoothy then?

oddly enough my given name is anonymous poster, much like George Foreman's family we're all named anonymous poster [mum got around]

Most!?!? You think that is an acceptable qualifier to excuse your slanderous, racial bigotry. You've gone too far here. Man up and admit an unintentional insult. That is unless you really are a racial bigot.