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Marathon Training and Muscle Loss (Part 2)

Posted March 18, 2009 12:00 AM by NaturalPro

So what are you options if you want to train for a marathon or half marathon, but still want to continue your current weight training efforts? This question isn't a problem for the marathon runner who accepts the inevitable loss of muscle mass that long-distance running entails.

But what if you lift weights and want to run a marathon just once? Maybe it's been a life-long goal to someday compete and complete such an event. Well, don't let the thought of losing some hard-earned muscle mass derail your dreams and goals.

Eat Right and Exercise Smart

Proper diet and nutrition will minimize some loss in muscle. In fact, an overabundance of calories can minimize cortisol release. So, be sure that you're eating healthy – and plenty. Weight training sessions should not exceed 45 minutes, and rep ranges should be within the 4-8 range. Your muscles will still be trained, but you'll also be less likely to fall victim to overtraining.

Enjoying Both Worlds

Depending on your short or long term goals, you can plan a periodized training approach. This would entail two training seasons: one for weight training and the other for running. If you live somewhere where the winters are long and hard, you might concentrate on weight training indoors during the fall and winter, and focus on running outdoors during the spring and summer.

During your weight training season, you can focus on building muscle mass while maintaining aerobic performance through cardiovascular exercise. Then, as you approach marathon training, weight training enters a maintenance phase and your running takes top priority.

But do keep in mind what I mentioned in Part 1, that long distance running and building muscle mass are counterproductive to one another. Just as gaining five pounds of muscle mass won't improve your running, running a marathon won't add muscle to your frame. But with a little self-compromise, it's still possible to enjoy training for both.

Editor's Note: Click here if you missed Part 1 of this two-part series.

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03/18/2009 9:48 AM

Life is so misleading. When it comes to exercise, we always hear more is good. No one has told us the repercussions from leading an extensive running life. I am starting to believe that balance is key in becoming ultimately healthy.

Out of curiosity... I have been thinking about using the body's weight for exercise (thinking yoga and pilates). Will your body peak in performance and how long does it take your body to accomplish this using these types of exercises? I figure that you are higher levels in yoga and pilates which can increase intensity, so the possibilities aren't quite so constricted. But what of people who consistently do crunches or push-ups? I would like to hear your take (blog or comment) on using body weight during exercise and the benefits and any misconceptions.

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03/18/2009 10:28 AM

Using your body's weight for exercise as you have mentioned will not build considerable muscle mass or strength, however it will help you get toned and fit when combined with a healthy diet.

There are different levels of intensity, variations to the actual exercises themselves and different angles that you can target the muscles from. All of these changes require your muscles to continually adapt thus I do not feel you can ever peak in performance even from doing push ups and crunches. Over time your stamina will obviously increase and both of these will become higher and higher repetition exercises. At which point you can make them harder (different hand placement for push ups, feet elevated on a chair, and even tempo - SLOW DOWN each rep).

Keep in mind that mixing things up stimulates the mind and the muscles. 100 push ups a day and 100 sit ups a day can get boring fast unless you constantly raise the bar each day (100 today, 110 tomorrow). But even then you should take a break from that approach once in a while and incorporate some of the changes mentioned above.

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03/19/2009 10:37 AM

Training for a half-marathon would provide little muscle loss. I trained (and completed) the full marathon, and the muscle I lost was minimal compared to the fat I lost. I quit weight training probably when I got into the 15 mile range. Before that, I would usually weight train first, and then run. Except on the long days (twice a week), I would just run. So, I guess I followed your recommendation - prioritize running and use weight training to maintain as the marathon grew closer.

This time, I am packing as much muscle on to my frame as I can. I've gained 25 pounds, so when I start training, I will have much more muscle mass when the marathon is over. Of course, I am only doing the half this time. The full sure does take a toll on your body.

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03/19/2009 3:29 PM

Nathaniel

Have you gained weight like this before and gone into your marathon training with this approach? I am interested if you have or if you do how you respond and perform in regard to running. I have never run or trained for a marathon before but I do sprint work. In the past I bulked up much heavier than I do now. As I began to diet down for competition I noticed a huge difference sprinting week to week as the pounds came off. Granted sprinting and marathoning are not the same but do you find the extra weight you carry effects your running to a degree? (time, endurance, stamina, stress on joints, etc).

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03/19/2009 4:59 PM

I have not gained weight like this before - I'm trying a new approach to training. However, what I did find that as my weight decreased leading up to the marathon, it seemed my knees became to frail. On the other hand, my endurance was 10 times greater than it is now. My sprint speed is the same; I just can't run for hours like I could before.

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03/20/2009 10:42 AM

I saw that you are a bodybuilder - what advice can you give in increasing muscle mass throughout training for a marathon? I will attempt at circuit training, but I am afraid this will only maintain, not give me increases like isolation. Of course, at a certain point, when my mileage increases, I understand that my muscles won't build up due to the consistent break down of muscle and fat due to running; but until then, what type of training should I employ to see consistent gains? Lately, my body has been responding well to a three split - quads/hams/calves, tris/bis/calves, chest/back/shoulders.

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03/20/2009 12:54 PM

As your marathon training increases in amount and duration it will be very hard to simultaneously gain muscle. What I would suggest is increasing protein in your diet and supplementing BCAA's and Glutamine with weight training and running sessions. Your split looks ok, but I don't like the chest/back/shoulders all together. If you must do a 3 day split like this just alternate the order of each muscle group with every workout.

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Re: Marathon Training and Muscle Loss (Part 2)

12/10/2010 1:41 PM

I just had my Post-Marathon BODPOD test and I lost 3 lbs of muscle, gained 3 lbs of fat and of course an increase BF%. I lifted up until the 20 mile week, then I was just doing arms.

I ran 3 halves last spring, while keeping with my lifting routine and I was actually able to shed BF and gain a few lbs of muscle.

This may have me rethinking my fitness goals and only sticking to halves or less

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