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Got a Bad Manager?

Posted June 27, 2009 7:53 AM

What makes a less than ideal manager in the valve business? Does a bad manager make you clean the Muffin Machine? Does the manager blame you because the cheaper imported valves that he authorized now failed? We know you can't talk about your present manager, but we bet you have some dandy stories to tell about previous managers. If you have any advice on how to deal with a bad manager, pass it on.

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06/27/2009 9:50 AM

The best managers will let you vent when the pressure is on.

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06/28/2009 9:24 AM

I'm not in the valve business, but I can tell you about the worst manager I ever experienced in 30 years in the chemical industry. He was a plant mgr in wisconsin in charge of a plant with 200 workers. He P.O'd the workeres so bad, his tires were slashed and he was afraid to go out to his car alone after work. Instead of firing him as he deserved, they "promoted" him to lab manager in the South in charge of 20 or so chemists and technicians. My technician and her friend were the co-chairs of the lab safety committee. The went to him with some ideas about how to improve the safety program and make it more participitave. He listened and said he'd think about it. Next day, he called a safety committee meeting and presented their ideas as his own. The 2 co-chairs were floored! He took the wind right out of their sails! He had an arrogant obnoxious attitude that didn't sit well with customers. He even looked like the pointy-haired boss in Dilbert! My chemist colleague developed a specialty product that made tons of money. He worked with the sales mgr,and mktg mgr to commercialize it, but they were pretty much just along for the ride. My colleague wrote a nomination of his product for a technology award and included their names on it and submitted it through this manager. He then retired a couple months later. The nomination won an award, but only the sales and mktg mgrs names were listed in the front page press release. This A$$ had deleted the chemist's name because he had retired. Many people raised holy hell all the way up to the CEO about the shabby treatment of my retired colleague. After 5 months and much pressure, this managerial moron finally restored the chemist's name to the award, and a correction appeared on page 9 in the local paper. He said it was an "unfortunate misunderstanding". During this time, he laid me off along with several others. I was very unhappy working under him and was close to getting on at a competitor. He led me to a room with the HR mgr and read my dismissal letter. He then leaned back in his chair, folded his arms and had a smirk on his face like he was thinking, "I bet I just showed YOU who's Boss!" I smiled, stood up and shook his hand and said,"Thank you! I've been soooo ready to leave ever since you took over and put yourself in charge!". Next day, I sent him a nice, sincere Hallmark "Thank You" card. Outside it said,"You didn't have to do what you did..." and inside, "But what a difference it made!" How often do you fire somebody and they send you a thank-you card? They finally wised up and canned him a couple years later. He had to move back to the snow belt to get a job he hates. I stayed in my same location, worked for myself and started my own company. Yep, he showed me who's boss alright- ME!

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06/28/2009 1:30 PM

GA.. good story. the kind of person you want to punch in the face. they are out there. but some good ones too.. Knowing this story, I would work for you.

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06/28/2009 4:57 PM

Thank you for your kind comments! And the GA vote!

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06/29/2009 12:08 AM

I am a good manager and all my boys are happy. Recently I have transfered one of my best to other division on deputation. Since then he is suffering as he got a very arrogant boss. I am not able to help him expect giving advices. That arrogant boss do not want improvements in equipment maintenance. More breakdowns more happy, so that he can call service engineers and make some quick money. Can expect some advice from cr4 members for my poor chap?

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06/29/2009 7:54 AM

We have a saying over here- "The Boss ain't always right, but the Boss IS always the Boss!". Is he on temporary assignment with this arrogant boss, or permanent? Did you transfer him to solve the problem of poor equipment maintainence? Does the manager this boss reports to notice his equipment needs to be repaired more often? It sounds like the service engineers pay bribes to this boss to get the work. That may be customary, but it ought to be illegal and against company policy. Your story raises a lot of questions before good advice can be given. If this is a short term assignment, the easiest thing would be to bear with it until it is over, and learn what NOT to do as a manager.

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07/01/2009 12:08 AM

People work for me to learn something new & different. Daily I try to learn something new so that I can teach my boys. We treat regular jobs also as challenging projects and enjoy 8 hours of work. As per company policy we recruit 4 Engineer trainees and after 3 yrs send them out and recruit fresh again. Rest are my permanent staff. When I got opportunity I have transfered one engineer who is on the exit list to other division on which I do not have any administrative control. He is good trained engineer but now suffering due to arrogant boss. His transfer is permanant.

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07/01/2009 7:54 AM

That is a difficult situation. I had the arrogant boss I described earlier in this post and we didn't get along. "Respect" is something that can initially be accorded due to title or rank, but eventually it needs to be earned. This boss never did anything to earn the first ounce of respect in my eyes. I think he felt intimidated by me, so he fired me when he got the chance. He got fired a couple years later. They even called him in from vacation to fire him. My best advice to your man is "Do your best!" regardless.

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06/28/2009 11:17 AM

Personally I see Management skills as independent of any particular business.

To me it as a people skill, more than specific to the business, in other words.

(Of course this view is not absolute, for it certainly helps if the manager is familiar with the specifics of any particular business, but I believe a Great Manager can well manage people, even if ignorant of the specific business.)

Great Managers can make even the most miserable jobs fun.

They ask questions, ask for volunteers, and get all the tools and time needed to do the job.

They defend their crews. (Often from those above.)

Successes are shared, as are failures.

They can tell the difference between those on the crew that are co-operative sorts, and those that simply must be told in an authoritarian way, what to do.

Sometimes they will actually fire someone, especially if that person creates an unsafe situation, and then if that person drags down morale.

It can be a very difficult position for you are sometimes stuck in between an angry and resentful crew, and manipulative higher ups.

From my experiences Family Businesses are particularly hard on Managers, since they may well be in the position of having to manage members of the family who have built in resentments.

The Management position is also fraught with contradiction, since on the one hand you inherit the "culture" that is typically long established by the owners and leadership, and aren't really supposed to change that, and on the other hand you are supposed to make things better.

P.S. I'm currently unemployed, any leads would be appreciated.

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06/28/2009 1:01 PM

You make good points. I find good management skills are too far and few between in American industry today.[p]

I view good management skills as similar to coaching a ball team. Many of the same pinciples apply. [p]

A good mgr recognizes a worker's natural skills and tries to put them where they are of most value to the company. A good mgr teaches skills , trains and develops his /her subordinates.[p]

When the organization has success, a good mgr gives credit to his/her well-trained staff. When the organization experiences failure in spite of the well-trained staff's best efforts, the good mgr accepts the blame for not having the staff trained well enough to handle that situation.[p]

That's how I've coached my ball teams, and how I run my small business. I believe work should be fun, and endeavor to make it that way for all concerned. If you enjoy what you do, you do a better job at it.

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06/28/2009 1:31 PM

why is this off topic? its on point! GA

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07/07/2009 9:41 AM

I repeat, why is this off topic. GA

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07/07/2009 10:00 AM

Well, the topic was what makes a BAD manager, and I was off in the other direction with qualities I thought made a GOOD manager. Management may be a little like art... Its hard to give a precise definition of what is good or bad, but you know it when you see it.

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07/07/2009 10:30 AM

I think Wc inadvertanly checked the off topic box when he was posting. which leaves a 5 vote hole to overcome which only needs 1 more to be a good answer.

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06/28/2009 1:28 PM

GA, especially about dealing with family. thats a tough one.

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06/28/2009 4:45 PM

fwiw, I'd hire you.

good luck.

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06/28/2009 5:32 PM

Very good comments. You sound like you have a wealth of experience and wisdom to offer. What type of work are you out of? I assume you're doing the logical like working your network of colleagues, customers and former competitors. That's been my best source of leads and projects.

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06/29/2009 12:21 PM

GA.

"Currently unemployed, any leads would be appreciated"

My son is home for college. I had him start applying for work in february, and following up in April. and May and June and....

He can't even get fast food work.

I asked a friend in Canton Ohio who has a restaurant (Too far for my son to drive) whats up with the job market?

he said: "I put an ad in the local paper for dishwasher and bus- help for two days; I got 500 applications. Including three valedictorians, one all state athlete, and an MBA."

Good luck with the job search.

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06/29/2009 12:42 PM

For those with the ability, experience, resources and inclination, if someone else won't hire you, hire yourself. Network to find partners with business skills that compliment yours(if your strength is product development/technology, find a partner whose strength is sales & marketing, etc. ). Beware of signing non-compete clauses! I understand this is a time when garage entreprenuers thrive because the alternative is unemployment. I've been working out of a garage since 2004. And yes, sometimes the Boss (ME!) is still a dumb-a$$ SOB! I can't seem to get away from that. I rely on my partners with the complimentary skills! I haven't gotten rich, but I pay the bills and enjoy what I do. These days, there's a lot to be said for just being able to do that.

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06/29/2009 9:28 AM

Once, and leaving the firm via a quick escape route was the best option. It's really satisfying when the individual concerned doesn't see it coming.

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06/29/2009 6:22 PM

If you can find him/her in DSM-IV, at least you know what to expect.

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