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Greenroofs Can Save Cities Millions Of Gallons Of Water

Posted August 04, 2009 8:59 AM

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Having a garden on your roof isn't just nice for a garden party; it can make your city more environmentally friendly. Many American cities are beginning to incorporate greenroofs into their planning ordinances because they recognize that, planting a rooftop garden can offset heat, increase city biodiversity and decrease stormwater runoff.

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08/05/2009 1:45 AM

And in times of water ration and drought can become a towering inferno.

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08/05/2009 10:47 AM

Not to be nit-picky (but I am), just how does a green roof save millions of gallons of water?

1.) I guess they mean green roofs divert/delay water that might otherwise have to be treated as in NYC where the storm drains also run into the waste treatment systems.

2.) In the case of Baltimore, concerns are that rainwater runoff goes into the bay. Of course, one might ask what happens to contaminants that aren't washed off the streets? Don't they still eventually end up in the bay? Except perhaps in higher concentrations when they do get there? Or does sunlight (a potent force) decompose these compounds into simpler chains? Run-off into the Chesapeake Bay is considered to be the boogey-man that kills the bay. But it is a complicated problem of waste treatment plants, storm drainage, septic systems, agriculture, industry, auto emissions, coal emissions, etc.

I'm a little suspicious of the numbers quoted in the study. If the Baltimore area can divert 8 million gallons a year by using green roofs and that is said to be 10%, then what that says, is that rain water only dumps 80 million gallons a year into the bay. That seems a bit low to me.

Here are some numbers: Annual precipitation for Baltimore ~40 inches

Number of cubic inches in a gallon: 231

One square foot equals 144 square inches

Therefore each square foot of Baltimore receives= (40*144)/231 = 24.9 gallons per year

According to the U.S Census, the City of Baltimore has 80.8 square miles of land mass.

Each square mile has 27878400 sqare feet.

Therefore each square mile of Baltimore receives approximately = 24.9*27878400 = 694 million gallons of precipitation every year.

694 millions gallons per square mile multiplied by 80.8 sqaure miles results in 56.089 BILLION gallons.

So, just Baltimore proper, receives approximately 56 Billion gallons of rainfall per year. It appears to me that the numbers discussed are off by three orders of magnitude. I understand that not all rainfall actually makes it to the bay, but less than one tenth of one percent? I wonder who this student's faculty advisor is, and did he or she even question the numbers? Maybe the numbers discussed just refer to the college campus where she is studying and the article is in error.

Who knows? But just goes to show how wildly inaccurate reporting/studies can be and how many sheeple actually go through the process to validate the numbers? Even to some rough approximation?

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08/05/2009 8:23 PM

Well done, even if your off on your estimate, you can't be that off. But the student may have only been considering the city center (lets say 10%) and that of that only 50% is roof, and of that only 50% is able to be converted to green roof (elevator stacks, AC, exhaust etc..) then your getting to within an order (or two) of magnitude of the estimate; still not a good analysis, and not worthy of publication! But the real benefits of roofs is not to save water. Toronto is making a push, and Berlin as well, for green roofs. For both cities water is not a problem. Hell, TO is right on a lake and has several main rivers running right through it (several diverted underground,) while Berlin is practically floating on a marsh. The problem is that water run offs overload the treatment systems and raw sewage can be spilled into the lake/water shed. Other main concerns are helping to reduce building consumption of energy as a green roof is a great insulator, and evaporation in the summer does slightly cool the building (not a help for buildings over 3 floor since the heat gain/loss will be mainly from the windows more then the roof.) But also the roof mitigates the heat island effect, and I think one of the most important, is that it gives back a semi-natural space for birds, and insects.

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08/05/2009 11:31 PM

Yet TO does not have any current codes for the green roofs, have not considered the insurance implications, or how to manage the fire risk.

At this point I think we have a "green" political correctness without the infrastucture to support it.

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08/06/2009 9:58 AM

"Using GIS satellite imagery, she estimated the number and area of buildings that could hold greenroofs within one watershed in the Baltimore area. If all these roofs were greened, she says, the city could save the watershed 8 million gallons of water per year, or about 10 percent of its yearly water loss."

She never stated what watershed or how many buildings are in that watershed or how many buildings could hold greenroofs.

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02/02/2010 9:41 AM

Green roofs delay water and also a good insulator.

You can also collect water with a good drainage system. There is a link below for somegreen roof details

http://www.geosyntheticsworld.com/search/label/Roof%20garden

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