Any ideas to kick start the oil reducing patent into the marketplace

Read the website

Using special patented electronic circuitry ( patent # "Ask Us" )

Ok, I am asking. What is the patent number.

The secret behind the patent is the heretofore regarded as trivial "regeneration" of dry cells that occurs when a device is turned off

Ahhhhh.

From the website I cannot understand how you can claim soooooooo much increased battery efficiency and still expect to be taken seriously when so little information on how it works is provided. As was asked before in your previous thread, could you please provide more information on what your invention is actually doing. Is it what I think it is (that being a pulse-width modulated load switching device that extends the battery life by reducing the ON time of the load)?

Thanks.

You need to id yourself and sign an NDA .. then come to orlando area to see demos as long as you wish. Can you do it. I'm offering 15% to anyone who arranges either an outright sale or a license or other deal. !! $$$ !!

Its for real. It works as advertised. Remember new things do indeed have unbelievable claims which is why they are 'new'. Don't let the claim of "it gets brighter with use bother you" Its true for a very obvious reason in flashlights. As in motors as well. The power output is like a wave (with perhaps hours between waves). nuff said.. come look see.

Surely disclosing your patent number does not require a NDA. I am not coming to America based on so little information (no serious engineer or investor would).

Perhaps if you could just answer some simple questions....

1) What made you think of designing this device?

2) What electrical experience and qualifications do you have (real ones please, no made up ones. If you say you have a PhD in electrical engineering and just used a stop watch and a multimeter from the hardware store to measure the voltage, well no one will take you seriously)?

3) How have you tested and proven your results? (oh so very important)

4) What is the largest test load you have proven these results on? (you are making some broad claims about scaling up for large EV batteries as well as many different battery chemistries)

5) Do aliens play any part at all? (seriously, I have spent a lot of time helping others in alternative power development only to find out that they were not quite as sane as they lead others to believe).

The information on your website (what little there is), + all the testimonials just makes it look like all the other free energy and scam websites. You need to provide more actual information otherwise no one will take you seriously.

Question 3 is VERY important.

Jack (not my real name, that would just be too much of a coincidence) -

ESTCA, NZCE, BENG (hons), currently working in power distribution and transmission fields as hazardous area equipment certifier, power test laboratory signatory, electrical safety supervisor, product designer, alternative power site commissioner and general problem solver (and a few other things).

We'd rather not just blindly tell the world without knowing who the inquirers are to prevent theft. Thats why we ask people to "Ask Us" that way we can send an NDA and they can sign and return it. Also you need to schedule a visit to orlando florida area (nice working vacation location for tax purposes). Also you need to show us how you can help us. BEFORE we tell you all the details some of which are not even in the patent but are needed to make it work. We say for sure double the miles or performance (some devices like flashlights seem to to 3-4 times normal but that is mostly because the drain rate is low and the light not quite as bright). For motors the patent gets 2x + of normal (IE the golf cart using only those cheap LA walmart batteries but we got 45 miles which is about 2.2 of normal miles using the bigger T-105 Trojan full size batteries. We advertise that we can get this 2x+ performance using the same weight and volume of batteries (or less in the electric golf cart case).

For small electric trains (thomas tank motors ) same 2x + performance. It takes somewhat longer but the rewards are much more play time for jr and much saving for mom n dad $ .

You can trade increased speed for less time and vice versa. The bottom line is we wring out every last milliwatt (or kilo watts for electric vehicles) from the already paid for batteries. Thats the true test.

BEFORE we tell you all the details some of which are not even in the patent but are needed to make it work.

If this were really the case, then you wouldn't have a patent. If you have failed to disclose details (as you are publicly claiming here) then the patent is invalid. That's basic patent law.

Further, the USPTO does not issue patents on perpetual motion machines and the like. A standard rechargeable battery outputs 90% of the energy that is input in the course of charging it. Tripling the energy output would mean 270% efficiency -- putting you well into the "over unity" (free energy, perpetual motion) area. Batteries are not magical devices: energy in (minus a small amount of heat) = energy out.

Is there some reason we should not consider this a fraud? Are you really trying to say that your invention offers 270% energy efficiency?

Your website says the patent is owned by Jeffery Davis. I was unable to turn up a patent under that name. Do you have the number?

To JACK of ALL TRADES> WHY DON"T YOU REVEAL WHO YOU REALLY ARE?

1. I Got tired of spending gobs of money on flashlight batteries. After checking voltage I realized there is unused power remaining in batteries after they are unable to power the device they are in. Check this out for yourself.

2. My credentials are good univ education 3 degrees in engineering and 1 in mechanics.

3. Read the website www.triplebatterylife.com if you want to see a summary of test data. We really got 45 real over the road miles with our electric golf cart. Thats factual and that with the smaller walmard marine batteries instead of the usual bigger wattage Trojan golf cart types (these are usually 3" taller and maybe 1" longer than the walmarts we used. We used the same number of batteries with as said the lesser weight and wattage that the walmart marine batteries give you.

WE ARE NOT CLAIMING 3 X EVERY TIME BUT ONLY 2X + A LITTLE EXTRA . Some devices seem to get 3 times but I believe that is only with flashlights and motors with only light loads (ie fans) and low drain bulbs, which drain the power so slowly that it extends it. Motors under load tend to drain batteries very fast and so they only get the doubling +. Thomas the tank type trains got the 2x _+ . WE have tested flashlights driving 3 leds at the same time to a real 800 (not 8, not 80, but 800 hours_) on the low setting. Thats enough light to read a book by. Thats 80 nites for 10 hours a nite. Because it is driving 3 leds I feel that it can go to theoretical 2400 hours (but reality is probably more like 1600 hours driving 1 led. 1 led is really not a bright enough light for most uses so its moot.

4. Electric golf cart is the largest vehicle or device to date . We are looking for a full size EV (electric vehicle) to further test the patent on. *send us info on any used EV's we can modify if you know of any.

5) Do aliens play any part at all? no. not at all but we do give credit to good angels (if you believe the bible) for intellectual help and inspiration which happens on a daily nearly constant basis. Call me crazy but 45 miles is 45 miles over the road real miles on smaller batteries.

Its not perpetual motion. You are wrong or following the programming of those who believe that when motion stops that batteries are really zero volts (not true) check the voltage of any device you own and tell me if the voltage is zero when the device quits working. "dead" batteries are most times not really totally dead (zero).

BEFORE we tell you all the details some of which are not even in the patent but are needed to make it work.

If this were really the case, then you wouldn't have a patent. If you have failed to disclose details (as you are publicly claiming here) then the patent is invalid. That's basic patent law.

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WE HAVE A VALID USA USPTO PATENT. IF you want to see demo you must sign NDA as stated above and also prove that you have something to offer besides theft of this idea. You need to be a proven player who has angel money to invest in getting this into factory production. You also have to come to orlando area or pay our travel expense to come to you. The details are enough there to have gotten a patent.

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Further, the USPTO does not issue patents on perpetual motion machines and the like. A standard rechargeable battery outputs 90% of the energy that is input in the course of charging it. Tripling the energy output would mean 270% efficiency -- putting you well into the "over unity" (free energy, perpetual motion) area. Batteries are not magical devices: energy in (minus a small amount of heat) = energy out.

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Its NOT perpetual motion (although there are clocks in the smithsonian that run on the movement of the earth. Until the earth quits spinning the clock will run, so its really psuedo perpetual based on the lifetime of the earth.

A standard rechargeable flashlight is just about the poorest use of a battery . Consider the challenge: Design the WORST light system you can. I think you be close to maglight for efficiency. They last only about 4 - 5 hours. PATHETIC !

Again when your light runs down tell me the voltage left in it as the bulb just goes dim? Be honest : when the light quits the voltage says there is about 2/3 of the voltage left in there (minimum 1/2).

We don't claim 3x every time. We do claim double at least every time. Originally our estimates were off for the heavier drain devices although flashlights can triple the lifetime partly because they are lower drain (usuallly unless its a maglight) and partly because the light is not necessarily quite as bright.

FYI: There are about 5 concepts combined which take advantage of about 5 different quirks in battery behavior all to total the 2x performance.

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Is there some reason we should not consider this a fraud? Are you really trying to say that your invention offers 270% energy efficiency?

ITs NOT FRAUD: 45miles is as said above 45 miles on small cheaper batteries. 2 x as many laps on toy trains is 2 x as many laps. 800 hours (on low) with our flashlight is 800 hours ! NOT FRAUD more like inspiration ! I use the lights all the time and have had many people say there are great !

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Do you have the number? Read above > we can't blindly hand out this information.

To JACK of ALL TRADES> WHY DON"T YOU REVEAL WHO YOU REALLY ARE?

Excuse me, but why should I tell you my real name (which has no relevance to this discussion, unless you want to trace me back through Australasian newspaper and national business review magazine articles I have featured in) when you will not tell me the patent number of your invention. The patent number is not a secret! Do you expect me to trawl thru the patent archives myself for this, what are you hiding!

OK, pulled this off the web.......

http://ebay.auction.co.kr/detail.html?itemNo=170157328891&FeedBackPercent=0

U.S Patent no. 6,570,340 ("The Stirring of Electrochemical Cells for Extended Life")

Well now I can see why you did not want this to become public knowledge.

2. My credentials are good univ education 3 degrees in engineering and 1 in mechanics.

Three engineering degrees aye. You do not sound or act like you have 4 degrees (for example "You need to be a proven player who has angel money"), and based on your patent and other information I have been able to piece together from the web I don't believe you really have any substantial engineering knowledge or experience (you certainly don't seem to understand what you are seeing from an electrical and chemical point of view, based on anything I have been able to find). You just come across as yet another smoke and mirrors backyard inventor, why should I invest my companies money and reputation in what appears upon close inspection to be nothing more than a case of bad engineering and lab work, or at worst, a total scam?

Comments?

Jack - A REAL power engineer working in the power industry.

Totally wrong.. You need to read the gospel and if you are so cheap that you can't even come to orlando to see it work.. I'd say you are NOT a player. And just what is it you are hiding. Your comments tell me you know nothing of invention. You are the same spirit that said edison is a nut , ford a kook, and tesla crazy.. go back to sleep. thanks.

Ok.. I asked for help and get only ridicule.. I guess I know what all the great inventors felt like when they were so treated by the short seeing "experts". I have said all the truth, yet you won't even check your own cell phone voltage?? sad . By they way when this finally does come to fruition.. don't look me up or tell anyone you know me. thanks.

I am a REAL engineer. I seriously doubt you have any engineering degrees, let alone 3. This leads me to believe you are nothing more than a scam artist.

Your patent appears to be nothing more than a switch to change over to a new set of batteries when the used ones drop below a certain voltage, thus increasing operational run time. Why should anyone be impressed with that!

I have said all the truth, yet you won't even check your own cell phone voltage??

Among other things, I run one of the only certified high power transmission test labs in Australasia (that covers a large part of the southern hemisphere if you didn't know), so don't tell me I don't know about voltage drop. The fact I have, among other things, an engineering degree should indicate that I know something about electricity!

I am here to help people, not scam artists like yourself. Your babble about Tesla and god rather than addressing any of the questions with facts is proof enough for me that you are nothing but a scam artist and a liar (not an engineer). We engineers do not act like this.

This is a place for "Engineering Discussion" (it's in the sites title if you didn't already know) Go back and peddle your "invention" on Ebay.

I notice that the patent application is in the name Jeffrey Davis, but the basic triplelife website and the rant site re NiMH batteries (linked to it) are by Jeffery Davis. For one's own name to be spelled incorrectly on two self-created websites seems very strange. Deliberate?

The "invention" may have some applicability somewhere, although I can't think of anything right now. The idea of selecting 1,2,3, or 4 batteries for speed control was applied to golf carts and industrial carts many years ago (patent 4563621 is an example). This sort of system almost guarantees an unbalanced battery pack, and is, of course, no longer used today. Pack imbalances shorten, rather than prolong, battery life, in some cases causing irreparable damage.

The notion of testing an old battery pack against a new one is ludicrous. The most basic of scientific practice dictates a controlled experiment. In this case, the promoter is testing a new battery pack against an old one, and saying that something else (his invention) made a difference. He might just as well have dressed in green pants while driving with the WalMart batteries, and red pants while driving with the Trojan batteries and then attributed the difference in range to pants color.

Thanks, Jack, for finding the patent number. Energy storage and utilization are serious interests of mine, so it's helpful to be able to cut to the chase, rather than trying to filter out a couple plausible words from promo hype and a meandering website. The patent makes it clear that I have no interest whatsoever in this.

The patent makes it clear that I have no interest whatsoever in this. " Nice cover story.. it you try stealing it prepare for the lawsuit battle of century. You still don't get it do you. Guess cr4 is so saturated with shortsighted people I may as well be trying to explain rocket science to apes.

It works.!!! Get it. If you are so short sighted as to not believe that 45 miles on an old 85 electric ez go using cheaper smaller walmart batteries isn't amazing you truly are in a sad state. I have no interest in passe average engineers only trained to follow instead of lead into new designs. Anyone can be master of the obvious. I am looking for innovative people who are leading not putting down others. You are not the leader types, but rather sad followers who can't see that anything is possible until you see it on the store shelves.

Can you see that the toy trains run the same batteries from the same lot? Your statements are inaccurate and unfounded. FYI: we did run same batteries in golf cart and still got 30 miles compared to 15 without patent. GET IT! Don't write anymore on this. Those who steal ideas from others have a special place in the hereafterl. You are an armchair quarterback who when asked for help " proceed to say how impossible manned flight is after all if man was meant to fly he'd have wings" you say. Don't expect any less for your future.

FYI: we did run same batteries in golf cart and still got 30 miles compared to 15 without patent.

So adding a second battery and switching over to it when the main battery was discharged increased your mileage by 100%. Double the battery capacity, double ther range. So what.

Since we are all out to steal your wonderful invention kid, why don't you leave and stop posting here. Problem solved.

Jack , enjoy your place as a mushroom who chooses to live in the dark. You obviously have no concept, or you are lying, in which case you will have a place with the thieves. Either way you are very unimpressive. Don't tell anyone you are an engineer, they might expect you to read and understand . Don't reply to this thread any more. Please.

I do not, and have never, lied in a post I have made on the Web, or any paper I have written, or any presentation I have done, or on any advice I have given.

I find it quite interesting that you have said a great deal about a great many things, all of them being irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I find it even more interesting that in all those defensive and offensive comments you have made, you have not once defended my questioning your stated qualifications (3 engineering degrees + 1 other).

One of us is lying, and I will give you a hint, its not me. My knowledge and reputation in the electrical power and testing industry, as well as on CR4 speaks for itself. Your comments and continuing refusal to answer any basic questions, and making broad sweeping and rambling statements is not helping yours.

Perhaps it is YOU that should leave. I was here first, and unlike you I have something constructive to bring to this engineering forum, based on real world qualifications and industry experience, and delivered in a calm and logical way (that's what real engineers do).

If you are not willing to discuss anything constructively then leave, this is not a site for advertising your snake-oil product or making broad, sweeping statements that you obviously cannot back up.

If any one has something "constructive" to say about getting a working idea that is truly patented and is proven to work in golf carts and toy trains and flashlights and even a small fan , to at least double the miles, or time of running, please say so. Otherwise please refrain from emotional outburts. Thank you. (its my thread if you want you can simply start your own question about something that is of your own invention if you have any)