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Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 7:21 AM

Hi All, At the risk of being laughed off, I ask for suggestions
on an economical way of building a hill. (structures)

On a stretch of flat land approx. 150 feet wide and 600 feet
long I decided to build an incline of about 45 degrees.

I have tried landfill, (offering free tip) with no takers; tried
digging a (big) hole elsewhere and used the removed soil with
limited success; (it's now at about 20 degrees) and even had
suggestions of burying a ship! (to fill the volume/space)

Naturally, I could buy a natural hill, but, it would not be where
I want my hill to be, if an economical way of obtaining a hill;
although I have thought of "re-moving" some other hill.
(so if one disappears near you, you know who's taken it.)

Not one to give up easily (I am at 20 degrees now) may I invite
(sensible) suggestions please to complete my folly. (learner ski slope)

Many thanks for your help.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 7:26 AM

If you can't sell land fill you are obviously not in UK.....

Maybe dig a big hole and then turn it upside down?

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 7:35 AM

Don't suppose there's any chance of finding some valuable mineral deposits under your land? The spoil-heap from mining them would do the trick, and you could get someone else to do all the work for free!

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 10:00 AM

Well, only a few thoughts come to mind:

1. Dig a mote around where you want the hill and pile the excavated soil in the middle. This way you get 2 for 1.

2. Don't bother trying to take one of our hills in Florida. While the temperature is in the 70s right now, the only hills we have are landfills.

3. Take up cross country skiing. You won't need a hill and all the time you spend digging can be applied to skiing.

4. Take a ski trip to Aspen.

5. Strike a deal with the US Air Force to use your property as a temporary bombing range. You may not exactly get a hill, but they will soften up that frozen dirt so a bulldozer can push it into a mound.

6. Finally, go to the local pawn shop and buy some pretty colored gem stones and scatter them in one area of your yard and tell people you have found rare gem stones on an area of your property. Tell them that if they do the digging you will split the findings (you take 25% and they get 75%). Tell them that they must pile any dirt they dig here.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 10:26 AM

Contract my Mother in Law, She can turn a mole hill into a mountain, a hill she can do with very much less.

We have mine dumps to spare, for the snow you will be on your own.

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12/29/2007 3:48 PM

I'd stop at 20 degrees. 45 degrees is extremely steep for a learner hill. Only a few black diamond or double black diamond slopes exceed 45 degrees (100% pitch).

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 7:35 PM

Well, the mine dump is constructive; thanks Hendrik.
(I interact as little as possible with the m-in-law.)

I do know of a local mine, and, although they sell their waste,
they may, just, be able to divert a few loads? Worth a try.

Here's the land at the start (flat) - and work so far.

(view from the top. Just to show I'm not having you on.)

If I can get it finished (in my lifetime) the local schools can use it
etc. they currently have to go about 30 miles to a dry slope,
which is not the same - because when this slope is nearly done
I hope to make snow with water from the ponds. (bottom of slope)

(If they get cheeky I can always let them ski straight in!)

I've rigged up a home made drag, but had to leave that out until
the slope is to a better angle. (onward, and in this case upwards!)

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/30/2007 3:53 AM

The steep slope at the back edge looks nice for stopping arrows...(obviously not when in use by skiers)

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/29/2007 8:02 PM

Don't know where you live, but you might be able to get free fill from construction sites (although the pictures look pretty flat). I have a huge pile of rock just behind my house. The landowner offered it to me free; I'm still not sure what he thought I would do with it. You might also get concrete chunks from rebuilt highways or bridges. We're also building what we call Mount Trashmore as a huge landfill rises above the turnpike.

About 30 years ago, I was in Winnipeg and the taxi drive took me on a side trip to show me the hill the city had just built - tallest land for maybe a hundred miles. It was about a 10 foot pile of sand (and there were people trying to ski on it).

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12/29/2007 11:22 PM

As a former Pittsburgher from Mt. Washington, I know there are lots of hill available there; maybe you could sell him one (like a sort of Brooklyn Bridge Project). Alternatively, perhaps the poster knows of a tunnel builder (or a quarry operation) in his area; they usually have to haul the dirt away.

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12/30/2007 12:31 PM

I used to live in Pittsburgh too. Great town. I suppose to some however, the prospect of your entire house falling into a coal mine below could be unnerving. The view from Mt Washington is wonderful -- maybe in the top 10 worldwide for visually interesting cityscapes.

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01/06/2008 9:37 AM

Like you said elsewhere, we could use all of that slag.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

01/06/2008 9:39 AM

Or, of course we could try and build a new Expressway like Carrol Twp. or maybe donate part of Kilbuck.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/30/2007 12:27 PM

hello everyone.

there is actually a profitable way to do this. i have witnessed it done in Alviso, Ca.

there the land has subsided due to ground water extraction by the city of san jose.

alviso is by the bay, so now it floods. construction permits are impossible to get unless the ground is raised 12 feet.

an earth moving company takes advantage of this. they buy an entire city block. establish their company on that block. charge customers to remove dirt from their construction sites around the county. bring it to their city block and dump it out. slowly raising the level of the block. once it reaches the height were building permits will be granted, they move to another block and start over. they then sell the elevated lots for a lot of money.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

12/31/2007 5:18 AM

You don't have to use dirt. You can also economically - and quickly - build up the innards of the hill with expanded polystyrene (EPS) and then cover the hill with the dirt. This is commonly used for embankments and the like.

One thing you have to watch for is the buoyancy of the EPS but, being above ground level, this should not be a major headache as water can be drained off the surface so as not fill the interstices of the EPS blocks.

I would add that when constructing a hill, or deconstructing a hill, it is the first part that is the easiest on the eye i.e. it looks as though things are progressing really quickly to begin with but this is as deceptive as volume is proportional to length cubed. The EPS helps.

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Re: Economical way of building a "hill"

01/01/2008 9:15 AM

Thanks for those links omw7 - very useful and
I'm chasing this idea up.

I had already thought of concrete "skins" on chicken wire,
(ferro-concrete) to fill the space; and foam (like oasis) which
I have made in the past by mixing two chemicals - but this
is not stable and seriously crumbles after a while.

EPS sounds much more promising (if the gov. use it) thank you.

Happy new year to you all; may we all keep healthy and prosper.

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