smallest gun in the world banned in the USA.

I just don't think that thing could kill anything. Maybe if you ate it, and it caused a blockage...

I guess this is a call to the really smart people here. Could a projectile that small, propelled by a charge that tiny, do any real harm? And what, ban it because it's going to scare the short hairs off the guy at the 7-11 so much he's going to empty the cash box for you? Protect you in an ally at 3 am? You gonna take over a 747 with this thing?

I guess it's like those really tiny cameras they sold us when I was a kid, they didn't work either.

Sooo, you agree with the US for allowing all other weapons to be sold?

I'd be a fool to say there wasn't a problem over here, but you have to consider the order of magnitude. Only 1% off all violent crimes in the UK feature a firearm. Bear in mind that almost anyone can get a shotgun license, so guns are out there.

You have to consider that it is an offense just to carry a hand gun over here, you don't have the right at all. In fact, it is an offense to carry a concealed weapon (knife) with a blade longer then 2 inches.

I must admit, I do have to smile when I hear about these knife amnesty's we have. It shows how the authorities think, getting all the honest people to hand over their weapons. I wonder what makes them think that the criminals, being criminals, would do likewise? Oh well.

That doesn't take away the fact that my personnel belief is that the US in general has a very unhealthy obsession with a device designed solely to take a life. I'd be a bit happier if the pro gun lobby were honest when they campaign, at least admit you have and use guns because you enjoy it! Come on!

(The self defense argument just raises the anti, don't you think?)

I agree with Plbmak... most gun related crimes in the UK are sensationalised in the media and so do seem to be a problem...

But when compared to the number of gun related deaths in the USA, accidental or on purpose, the numbers are miniscule as the USA figures are horrifyingly huge!!

John.

One thing that you are saying is true but not in context. The entire UK will fit well within the Texas Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri borders.

If you were to enlarge the UK to the population of the US then you might have a valid arguement.

One thing is for sure though.....UK Football fans should never be allowed to have guns!!

Talk about violent people!!!

While I agree to some extent with Plbmak, I keep thinking the UK will start banning sharp pointed sticks next.

True.

This reminds me of:

This is my rifle!!

This is my gun!!

This is for fighting!!

This is for fun!!

I believe it was used in Marine Boot Camp with recruits who used improper nomenclature (with both weapons at hand).

Actually, I would find such a handgun to be very dangerous in that it is too small to control... and I sure as heck hope they ban them in Ireland. We wouldn't want the little people to get ahold of them.

Bill

A friend of mine's home was invaded while he and his wife and his childern were in the house in the night and he got his gun and persuaded the invader to lie on the floor till the cops came to take him away.

No law abiding citizen has ever commited a crime with a gun.Why penalize the innocent and put them at the mercy of the unlawful, well armed criminal?

A criminal will circumvent or break the law, by definition, and obtain a gun.That leaves the average person at a great disadvantage.I remember reading about a county in Georgia(USA) that passed a law requiring every homeowner to have a gun for home defense.There were outcries of increased violence, but the law passed anyway.Result? Crime actually went down.Look at the increase in the crime rate in Australia since personal firearms were banned. The statistics speak for themselves.

Fear the government that fears your gun.

Gun control=Keep em in the 10 zone.

"No law abiding citizen has ever commited a crime with a gun."

Ummm...a law-abiding citizen would by definition not commit a crime without a gun either. That said, gun control means being able to hit what you are aiming at. Purely that simple.

Laws about ownership won't change anything when there are so many in circulation. Maybe carrying a weapon might be proscribed, but the UK situation is very different to the USA. There are plenty of illegal weapons held by people in the UK, but they sure won't surrender them if asked. America is too far down the road to control sales. Our government is concerned about social disorder, especially amongst the young, so the latest idea is to have them swear an American style pledge to Queen and country. The chance of that working is as likely as hell freezing over. People either have mal-intent or they don't. Those who transgress with firearms should receive maximum penalty. Until the UK imposes a life sentence for murder, one that actually means life, we won't get any better. I don't hold with capital punishment because of judicial mistakes, and also because it's too easy a way out for those who've murdered. Deterrence is the way, and a 6x8 cell the means.

"An armed society is a polite society" Col. Jeff Cooper ( The Hand gunners Guru)

" Nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot"

Mr. Clint " Dirty Harry " Eastwood (actor)

All kidding aside.

As a recreational shooter I see absolutely nothing wrong with LAW ABIDING Citizens owning guns and being proficient in their use. I don't hunt. I shoot targets and clays. I like guns. If necessary I would use a gun in self defense or defense of a loved one without one second of hesitation. The key words here are "law abiding citizens" and "IF NECESSARY"

The UK has a huge population of "anti's". I recall reading perhaps 20 years or so ago of a single incident in the UK that resulted in most all of the guns being taken from their rightful owners. Some "nut case" shot a few people at some seaside resort with a shotgun (single or double barrel I don't recall). If ONE person there was carrying a legal gun this act would have been stopped. I recall that he was casually strolling along shooting people and reloading as he walked.

Some people think that banning mechanical devices will somehow make their life better. It will not. It's the objectionable and criminal behavior that we need to stop first with laws and secondly by action. L O N G Prison sentences for the offenders is a good place to start. Shooting the miscreant is another option. If you want to ban deadly devices that injure and kill untold thousands each year I suggest that you start with the automobile. The deadliest thing we have ever manufactured.

You cannot legislate sanity. The largest mass murder in the US that I recall (The Happy Land Social Club in New York City USA) was done by a real "whack job" using commonly available products. The products were less than one dollars worth of gasoline (petrol) and a disposable lighter. A whole slew of people were burned to death.

I am an active member of an automobile forum for a high end car of European manufacture. It is quite common to see postings from members in the UK about car thieves who do home invasion robberies to obtain the keys for the car. They have nothing to fear because the know the owner is unarmed. In the USA this type of crime is virtually unheard of. Just remember that Hitler collected all the guns from citizens and the world lived happily ever after. Proper Gun Control is keeping all your shots in the black on the paper.

I agree that any device that adequately performs it's obviously intended (legal) purpose ought to be allowed to be sold, weapons not withstanding.

Hella yes!!!

The original lawn jart was more dangerous than this!

What does that mean its "banned in the US?" When it comes to gun laws every state has different laws, and doubt that a federal law to "ban" this bitty thing has been enacted...

"Einstein said that the hardest thing to understand in the world is the income tax. I would argue it is the American way of thinking!"

We Americans make the same argument about European thinking!!

From their site:

"Important information for import into the USA.

The US Department of Justice has mentioned that our miniature revolver, ref. C1ST does not meet with the minimum size prerequisites referring to the Factoring Criteria for Weapons ATF Form 4590.

Therefore, our revolver is not classified as sporting and is not importable into the USA.

We feel sorry for all the US collectors who have showed interest in our miniature revolver.

We promise that our next model will meet with the US Factoring Criteria for Weapons."

My apologies.. I am real bad about reading the fine print, especially on a small gun...

I bet Smith and Wesson could build it here on license.....

LOL

I can see it now...

At Smith and Wesson:

OK Guys!! We can manufacture it here in the states... if you can bore it out and rechamber it to take a .357 magnum cartridge.

since it is not a "lethal weapon", perhaps it can be classed as a toy, or as jewelry (bracelet charm). I do believe that is Smith and Weston were to male it, that is exactly how they would market it. Of course, they would remove the firing pin first and supply dummy bullets.

Nowhere does it say Banned! the key words are: sporting purposes and import.

Referring to the importation of sporting weapons. There are probably different catagories that would allow importation into the states. This looks like the are trying to import them under their current "sporting weapons" permit and is not worth getting a different classification for them.

ATF follows internal guidelines – set out in ATF Form 4590, "Factoring Criteria for Weapons" – to evaluate whether a specific handgun qualifies as a firearm that can be used for sporting purposes. Under the ATF criteria:

• A pistol must have a positive manually operated safety device, and a combined length and height not less than 10 inches, with the height being at least four inches and the length being at least six inches; and
• A revolver must pass a safety test, have an overall frame length of at least four and a half inches, and a barrel length of at least three inches.

The power of this diminutive little wheel gun is only about 1/10 that of a Red Ryder BB gun. The only way it could be fatal is if you held the muzzle against a vein, fired it into the lumen, and it caused an embolism some where vital [brain, lung,etc..]. Hardly reliable as an implement of doom :^}

If someone shoved it up your nose, I'll bet you'd hand over your wallet!!!

Heck! It's just about the right size for hunting mice! I'm off to Disneyland!!!

If someone tries to shove that ornament up my nose, he had better be holding a real gun in his other hand!

Hi, It is dangerous - It can tickle one to death.

At the very least your assailant will die laughing that you would carry such a thing

I don't believe I'm saying this - I agree with the American Ban.

This gun is dangerous because it would be easily misplaced & looks alot like a toy. You say it ain't dangerous - tell that to a kid that looks down the barrel and pulls the trigger.

It looks to be about the size of the guns we used to buy in the far east that only fired blanks, we used to cut off pieces of lead/tin solder that fitted the barrel and it would shoot through 5 or 6 beer mats!!!

Due to the awful shape of the cut of the solder and that it was not a perfect fit, accuracy over 10 foot was awful......I was never hit, but I could believe that you could lose an eye quite easily.....

You could buy them as cuff links too.....check out this link.....they cost $50 each and appear to be made and available in the USA.

Also, they appear to be smaller than the Swiss version!!

Minature Pistols

How on earth would you pull the trigger? String?

Any kid that looks down the barrel of anything, and pulls the trigger, deserves a Darwin Award. I hope I bring them up better than that. I teach: don't stick your finger in the socket, don't rub Draino in your eyes, keep you face out of the snowblower. Past the age of 2, most of lifes "really important lessons" should be hardwired. That said, we have a responsibility to protect our young. This little gun should be treated with the same respect that I give my 30'06.

When the boogy man comith, your goverment is not going to protect you. You will be on your own. They will be protecting their own asses. Case in point: south central, Katrina, etc...

Ban everything, but make sure that you keep paying your taxes. Toy cannons kill to. This "GUN" is definitely a novelty, But the one I carry is not!

First of all I own a gun.

I can't believe how liberal your gun law are in the states.

I always here the slogan "gun don't kill people- people kill people". Bull S.. Guns do kill people. In fact a gun is one of easiest way to kill a person - and that is the problem.

It does not take a brave man to aim and pull a trigger. He may think twice if he has to end a persons life if he had to use his bare hands or even a knife.

Your country is flooded with firearms. It is too easy for the wrong people to get their hands on these firearms.

Make it difficult for people to acquire a licence - ensure they are part of a gun club, restrict the types, restrict types of ammo and make the "cooling down period longer"

I don't necessarily disagree with "a persons right to bare arms" But more control is required.

I see that you have "bared" your soul, but you should only "bear" arms!!!!!!

Andy,

I think you misunderstood.

Surely everyone has the right to bare arms. Sound like you have thing for hairy arms.

Regards

Jon

P.S. Excuse the typo.

In New York the courts have decided that everybody has the right to bare everything from the waist up. But to bear arms - handguns at least - you have to go through a six month background check, be approved by a judge, etc. etc.

None the less, it seems that more people exercise the latter than the former. And probably a good thing too!

Like it! Good one!! It was the wrong time of day for me yesterday, tired out!!

According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), the rankings of the top causes of death in the USA don't even include firearm related deaths. Drilling deeper into the rankings by state, I find the top 15 safest states in the USA allow conceal and carry laws and Washington DC is the worst at 0.0269% and they do not allow conceal and carry. If they are banning guns, how are guns then killing their people? maybe if the law-abiding citizens could carry, the murderers wouldn't be so brazen.

By the way, I don't even own a gun. I have carried a knife since I was 5 years old, however. I've used it to cut twine, cut the paws off gophers, open packages, whittle, use it as a pry bar, a screwdriver, a wire stripper,... but have never even considered it as a weapon - it's a tool.

Keep your ideology in your dreams.

Thanks for the input OpMan. I'm giving you 1 for good answer!

Mike

I read all the responses carefully and with intrest. Saw comments from both sides.

However, my two penney's worth is here.

All the guns irrespect of the sizes should be banned and all the people of Rifle association or that kind should have their head examined. The people asking for self-defense and that kind of garbage should know that man has an animal in it and who will go off the handle and when, no one knows. If they carry guns, they should be jailed and those bleeding heart Senators and Congressmen who allow this nonsense to go on and make USA the most criminal country (most criminals in the world- NOT the criminal country) should also be thrown in the jail and throw away the key.

OK, so guns do not kill the men do or otherwise but the question is who pulls the trigger. If there is no gun, people will not be angry so quickly knowing I have a gun and can use it. Road rage is the prime example.

I may sound old fashioned and people may call me names after read my thoughts but that is the truth and every one deep down inside knows that guns are making people criminal. There are no honest and good people with guns. They are just the ticking bombs waiting to be exploded. Good and decent men (or women) would not own guns. They just hide behind the self-defense veil.

I do not own a gun or a knife and do not have to as I know there are laws and the guns should not be with the criminals but with criminal police who kill peole for fun or mistaken identity and those damn police chiefs would come to defend the culprits.

I guess this smallest gun was made for publicity and USA was justified to ban it. At least one potential danger is removed and you will see some people will bring in the country and will become a toy. The border police and the customs would allow them just as they allow the drugs. If those people were honest we will not be seeing our youth gping to hell. That means the future of America is spiralling down.

Regards;

Nadeem Butt

03072008

Thanks for the rant condeming anybody who owns a gun for whatever purpose. At least nobody will accuse you of being open minded.

The generalities and hysteria that some people have injected into this discussion are making it largely pointless. Of course given the hyperbole of the initial post I suppose the level of discussion was already set.

As far as this last post goes; the people in the USA who own firearms do so because it is their legal and constitutional right to do so. You may disagree with that right, but to say that "There are no honest and good people with guns." and that "Good and decent men (or women) would not own guns." is so disrespectful of your peers that you really out to apologize to the board for your intolerant behavior.

MY humble apolgies are rendered to all those nice people who have guns to destroy lives when needed. I rest my case.

Regards;

Nadeem

PS:

I know I will get many angry posts to my rersponse to which I shall say, cool down every one has an opinion, right or wrong. I just do not like guns, period. Just like many who not only like guns but love them and bring right to bear arms and constitutional rights etc. The guns are killers.

Yes, you are right and I said that too that this gun was made for publicity and not any thing else.

NB

lol, you can't rest your case, you haven't proven anything. Well, you may have proven something but decorum prevents me from saying what....

LOL.

We may have mutual feeling and I will offer same harmony for you.

It is nice to have some one with the same kind of feelings for each other.

Have a great day and behappy and not angry and enjoy your rest of the day.

Regards;

Nadeem

Nice post Nadeem, and thank you to CSM for phrasing a good post as well.

Nadeem-

No offence perceived - you haven't said anything I haven't heard before. I can certainly agree with you that guns should never be toys. Even the water guns styled to look like real guns bother the hell out of me. I played Cowboys & Indians the entire time while growing up using only my hand with the index finger and thumb extended as a "gun." Even BB guns should be treated with the same respect as "real" firearms - it's a matter of safe handling habits. Although, I must admit, I also participated in the BB gun wars described by a previous poster as a child. However, even among us kids, there was a strict code of conduct regarding range, shot placement, and shot power that would quickly result in a confiscated gun and permanent banishment from the "war" if violated. Even so, I am surprised we never had a single injury. The Lord truly watches over small children.

In my own household (as when I grew up) guns are introduced to children at about the same time they learn to say the word. The object is to remove all mystery surrounding them, both in what they are and what they can do. Even though they are locked up, my son knows that he only has to ask to see one and we'll get out which ever one he is curious about. We check together to see that it is unloaded and then examine it and answer questions to his satisfaction. Often the result is a scheduled trip to the range the following weekend. In fact, the only reason I keep my guns in a safe is to protect from burglary, not to keep them away from my kids.

I do not consider myself a gun collector. Every firearm I own has a unique and defined application, just like every wrench in my toolbox has a unique and defined application. For me, there are no treasured memories associated with them; they are simply very powerful tools to be maintained in good working condition for the day their use is required. There is no emotional attachment to them as objects. What they represent in regards to my American heritage is a different story, one I am very passionate about.

I honor your opinion about guns and your response to my previous post; you have proven yourself to be far more open-minded than your original post indicated. You have my respect, sir.

Regards,

CSM

Thanks CSM Engineer for your comments. I fully understand your passion for guns.

You have opened my eyes and in future, I will be more tolerate about the guns. You are right, the guns are hardware and those are people who use them wrong way. I think Charleston Heston when he was president of NRA said the same thing. I guess with so mnay deaths in NY city, New Orleans, Chicago and now Houston, TX, the towns I lived prior to moving to Borger, Texas (a small sleepy town in the middle of TX panhandle) I was full of haterd for guns. Now I know that people and States who have concealed weapon laws are also doing something to tame the nation. I chuckled when you said that people carrying the guns make humble society. I guess the reason may be that one person thinks that the other guy may also be carrying a gun so he behaves normally and in a more humble way. LOL.

Once again, thanks for the help.

I will remember you ands toned down when the guns come to become the topic of the discussions.

Regards;

Nadeem

Hi CSM,

A most excellent post! As a long time concealed carry permitee, and an avid collector of (mainly) handguns, and a long time NRA member, I applaud you! Well said.

I, like you, carry concealed at all times. Heaven forbid that I should ever have to draw my weapon. It would be my absolutely worst nightmare, but in the appropriate situation, I would not hesitate to do so.

-John

John-

Thank you for your kind words. It is good to hear from a like-minded individual! I have taught advanced armed self-defense classes off and on for a few years now and a good portion of my class centers around two things: 1) maintaining constant awareness of your surroundings so that situations where a weapon may need to be used can be avoided at all costs because 2) carrying a weapon is an awesome responsibility and an individual must have the correct mindset to use it (as you say) without hesitation and be fully aware of the terrible consequences of such an action. I have had more than a few students (more men than women, interestingly enough) put their guns away permanently after going through my class and learning the realities of concealed carry. It is unfortunate, but better to face it now than in the heat of battle.

Keep up the good fight!

-CSM

CSM Engineer - You said exactly what I believe and very eloquently. I was also brought up around guns. No one in my family or their gun-owning friends ever even shot to scare anyone. I have never had any occasion to point my guns at anyone. I hope I never do, but I also know that the police cannot get there quick enough to save your life.

To those who say you should protect yourself with knives or clubs or fists, the gun is the great equalizer. Someone 5 feet 6 inches weighing 150 pounds who sells shoes will be beaten to death in short order by someone 6 feet tall weighing 250 lbs who carries 100 pound bags of cement all day. A gun allows the weak to defend themselves against brute force. If both have guns they are equally able to kill each other. There is nothing more heartening to a big burly burglar than knowing there are no guns in the house and nothing more frightening than a nervous woman with a gun.

Guns do not just lie there and kill people, it takes a person to purposely aim and fire it at someone or in an unsafe manner. Cars do not drive themselves down the highway and kill people, it requires a person. Car crashes kill more people than guns by far, but the gun-haters don't try to ban cars. Buckets are more deadly for children than guns, do these people want to ban buckets?

Brits have given up all their rights to defend themselves using any kind of weapon over the centuries. At 65 and out of shape I would not last long in a knife fight with a teenage punk trying to rob and kill me. But if I used my gun, I, the honest, innocent citizen, would be alive and unrobbed.

I have shot animals getting into my garden and I found no joy in killing. I was glad to have done it, but it was no source of pride. I apologized to God for having to kill them. It would be worse if I had to kill a person and knowing this I will always be very careful. But it is my right to defend myself, my family and other people from those who would harm them. Without that right we are slaves of the government.

If all the handguns in the USA were taken away (except for those for police and armed forces), one would expect that the gun shot rate to sink to that of the UK, which is as far as I can tell (taking into account the different population size) about 1% of your rates.....still too high, but better.....

Which translated into real terms means that for every 100 US citizens who die of a gun shot wound (99% handguns) approximately one UK citizen dies......think about that, just removing handguns alone, that means lower cost to you, less work for the hospitals, the police, the FBI etc etc. It must also be financially good for the USA generally. (except for the Gun shops of course!!)

Now if you in the USA were REALLY interested in protecting yourselves and reducing the death rate in the USA from handguns, that would be something to do immediately.....but no, you will all as a rule buy even more guns and even more ammo......and your politicians are too scared of losing voters to even think of bringing in a change to the constitution!!!

.....and the private Citizen stands on his constitutional rights to bear arms!!!!

Maybe Clinton (if she gets in) will be brave enough!!!! Which probably means Obarma will win!! (Why does his name sound like "Oh Bummer" ??? Maybe we will find out soon.....)

I cannot even think of another country with such primitive outdated laws as you still have in this area (if you know of one, please let me know).......are you all still scared of the British Teabag and possible invasion from the UK? German laws are getting tougher, but the average citizen still does not feel a need to arm himself......

But as we have all given up our legal handguns (some illegal ones, but discovery and or usage means a long time in Jail), we are certainly no match for you Guys.....

Are you really arguing that removing every illegal gun is a realistic solution?

Hi Andy,

This is just one of the reasons that I hope Hillary doesn't make it...

http://forums.grunt.com/forums/t/36569.aspx

If your ststistics are accurate (sorry, I haven't had time to check them), I believe the problem is more complicated than "ban guns and we'll have less crime/people being killed with guns". I don't own a gun - mostly because I was never really interested in having one, although I was a very good shot with an M16 when I was in the Army. I think, owning a gun is good for some people - maybe most people. I also think that some people should never own guns. In fact I can only think of one group of people that would be able to be trusted with guns is us - ENGINEERS! We tend to think longer term (consequences, etc.) and know our tools.

I am behind CSMEngineer all the way. I am not so sure that our government will always be "of the people, by the people and for the people". My biggest concern for my country is not whether or not to allow individuals to own guns, but the crime and moral decay that has continually advanced over the past 56 years. The abuse of firearms is only a symptom of a much deeper problem.

Mike

The abuse of firearms is only a symptom of a much deeper problem.

Well said, Mike.

Thomas Jefferson, quoting Beccaria:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-Winston Churchill

Ah, those were the days, when we had STATESMEN, not politicians, elected to our top offices...

Andy:

I respect your opinion on hand guns but resent the comments us being primitive. We, as American, are not primitive. We may have the cowboy mentality and some rough edges but definitely not primitive.

We may be prejuduced towards some names and afraid of truth and hide our faces in the sand like an Ostrich, but we are not primitive.

We may be afraid and/or prejudoced to elect a Jew a Vice President, or a Woman to president or a black Christian with Muslim middle name the next president, but we are not promitive.

So Bush regime will continue another 4 years in McCain. See we are not primitive and we can stay the course. That shows we are not primitive.

We may be spreading haterd and bring chaos in the world thanks to our president but certainly we are not promitive.

We may be hated by others in the world (they are just jealous of our good deeds) but we are nt primitive.

We may hide the instinct to kill behind the rights to bear arms and constitutional rights to do so but we are not primitive.

I would say, if people want to have guns, let them and I am quite sure they will behave in a humane manner and not use in the worst way. I agree with CSMENGINER and CALicot and others that every one has a right to defend himself and families but defence should be within their own territory and do not go in neigbor's house and shoot him for preempt strike.

I was deadly against having guns and hated guns. But reading the thread and being a part of the entire discussions, I am leaning towards the guns that people who have guns may have but they should promise to themselves to behave properly and in a more responsible way.

I DO NOT HATE GUNS ANYMORE BUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAY MISUSE THEM.

Regards;

Nadeem Butt

03102008

Bravo! Very well stated. I just copied this to a fellow shooting buddy. I needed to edit it though, I doubled the amount of guns and ammo, changed some names and added the gun that I keep in our travel trailer. I truly believe the only reason that we are still a free society has nothing to do with Democracy but rather the gun ownership that protects it.

Nice of you to call someone closed minded because they think an easy way to kill people is a bad idea! Two points: -

1) I don't own a gun, but I do go shooting for pheasant and I do eat what I shoot. I have also taken part in competition shooting. I'm not opposed to gun ownership, just hand gun and military weapon private ownership.

2) Take a look at the percentage of gun ownership in Switzerland. Not just hand guns either, but assault rifles. Their crime figures are lower then the UK.

The US seems to be unique in the area of gun ownership and gun crime. Think about this, what's easier, to point a lump of metal at someone and pull the trigger, or look someone in the eye as you stick a knife in them?

It has to be remembered, the problem is already there, you guys have to live with it! I don't.

Well, then we'll just have to export it, won't we... Wait. We already do that - it's called Iraq. Sorry.

Try working on a farm or cattle station, then you'll realise a rifle is just another tool just like a shovel.

True, and not the point at all.

It might be banned because Americans are fun-loving people. If you produce such a gun and point it to a criminal, you don't have to pull the trigger as he might die of laugh. Human rights applied to them will lobby to keep this abominable weapon out of the USA. The answer is simple: it's all about how democracy works (don't blame the American way of thinking).

A different effect would it have on a police officer. He will shot you with a real gun just because menacing him is a federal offense.

When I was a kid I had a BB gun with a muzzle velocity of 1400 ft/s. We used to go out in the woods and intentionally shoot at eachother (only rule: shoot below the shoulders), and none of us ever died or lost an eye. This gun does not scare me. By "..from a short range..." they really mean "..close enough that when somebody gets a good look at it and laughs at you, you'll die from embarassment"

Yeah, we might have more violent crimes in the US that are handgun related. We may be gun toting redneck idiots in the eyes of the world. But without gun toting redneck idiots, a good number of you would be speaking german by now...

Without the American way of thinking, the red indians, or natives, would still have their country to live in with freedoms you are now fighting for with rubbish arguments.

Maybe you now understand how stupid your german remark really was.

lucky you 2 arn't face to face with guns in your hands or you may end up shooting each other.

no need for guns anymore, we have automobiles to kill with now and alcohol to ma,e it more likely. More poeple are killed by nuts behind the wheel than ever killed with guns. Come to think of it, it is easier to get way with automobile murder than it is with gun murder, no wonder the change.

As has been said:

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."

And they made him a Senator!

Yeah, Chappacquitted... the new term for "getting off scott-free in spite of overwhelming evidence".

I thought the term was Oj'd...

milo" Sorry I missed this thread when it happened"