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construction drawing symbols

04/14/2008 12:34 PM

I have been to a number of sights trying to find an answer to what I thought would be a straight forward question but I now find its not that easy. The question revolves around the symbol for a receptacle (circle with two lines), when the two lines extend outside the circle should they be orentated go away from the adjacent wall or towards it. In countless engineer drawings I have been going over it seems away from the wall on newer drawings but towards the wall on older ones. Was there a change to a stnadard at some point and if so when and where? Is there a standard and if so what it is and where can I find it?

Any help would be appriecated in tracking this down.

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Re: construction drawing symbols

04/14/2008 2:34 PM

Is there a standard that says that? Seems the US Regent 6 shows receptacles with the lines the same distance out both sides of the circle http://www.fs.fed.us/database/acad/elec/elec.htm

and the engineering drawings I am getting show the lines to the right.

there has to be a publication that says how the trade is suppose to handle this.

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04/14/2008 4:05 PM

Actually there are a lot of standards, It depends where you live, or where the diagram was created.

Here is a small list:

  • IEEE Std 313-1975
  • ANSI Y32.2-1975
  • CSA Z99-1975
  • CEI/IEC 60617
  • CEI/IEC 1082

Here is a good spot to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_diagram#Symbols

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04/14/2008 4:21 PM

I would not mind buying the standard if I could just find out which one has that type of information. For years I have always shown receptacles with the lines away from the adjacent wall. this type of design I find very common in Canadian engineer drawings and some drawing from US engineers usually the older ones. however over the past few years more drawings are coming with the lines going towards the wall. either design as far as I am concerned would be OK. the problem is uniformity throughout my company which has designers in both the US and Canada (most Canadian ones use the lines to wall much like I do) The rest use the rotation lines away from walls. Again to me both are just as well but now we have situations where the design in done in both countries and then put together and our symbols do not match. I can't find a standard either way as to who has the right orentation and who doesn't. I have found older American drawings seem to be of the same method I am used to only drawings for the past ten years or so seem to have changed the orentation and I can't find out why or when it changed. Thus I am searching the net for an answer if any standard mentions orentation I would be happy to go with it.

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04/15/2008 9:07 AM

In the ANSI Y32.2-1975 which is usually required by the Cdn military, The symbol by it self is shown as going to the left, yet the example of it in use, the lines do not extend outside the circle, and there is a single arrow pointing to the wall. Other examples show arrows going in the opposite direction, but always pointing to its location or connection point.

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04/15/2008 7:50 AM

...after 30 years of practicing architecture, and jumping into "cadd" in '85 with both feet, one has watched the "standards" evolve, rotate and flip about like a just landed fish. In the process of "doing" COE and DOD projects, one has been acquainted with the National Cadd Standards and in the instance of the inserted address, the AEC Cadd Standard that one ought to comply with for the forestated projects.

All of which is a bit of hot air - getting to the answer to the post (at least as implied by the AEC standard) page D13-22 of appendix D, the lines extend out of the circle to one side only, and point to the wall.

https://tsc.wes.army.mil/products/standards/aec/intro.asp

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04/15/2008 8:55 AM

Architect3451 hit it right on the nose, the lines simply point the direction of your wiring flow.

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04/15/2008 10:39 AM

I'd like to thank everyone for their help it is much appriecated.

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04/15/2008 11:59 AM

In addition to all said already (and I voted #3 GA for the one saying the lines go in the electrical flow direction, which is almost too logical to be correct...) it is possible that a lack of rigour in applying the appropriate standard may be at fault as well.

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