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Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/16/2008 10:06 AM

I am desiging our data center and the equipment specs call for 24,000 watts of power for the power supplies, generating 80,000 BTU, and mostly running at 120v. I have 480v three phase service coming into a UPS. The UPS will attach to a step down unit. The step down unit will give me 120v single phase. I am bringing 90amps into the UPS and the UPS can give me 66.8amps to step down. My understanding is that this will provide me 4 times more amps at 120, and the the conversion to single phase has an amperage multiplier effect of 1.73. Am I right in understanding the equation to be:

{(480v)x(66.8a)x(1.73)}/(120v) = 462amps at 120v single phase ??

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/16/2008 11:14 PM

You are very confused. Are you sure you are qualified to be doing this?

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/16/2008 11:54 PM

conboy 24000 watts divided by 120 volts equals 200 amps single phase, you would want a 480 volt 3 phase to 120/208 volt step down transformer to get your 120 volt single phase, lets see if you can figure out the rest of the story? good luck. pac

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/17/2008 10:40 AM

This is so vital to get right (and expensive and possibly dangerous if you get it wrong!!), what the hell are you doing?

Its totally outside of your knowledge and training by the sound of it!!

And to start asking on the Internet is really very, very stupid. Your one and only Brain Cell must get very lonely some days.....

Get a professional that KNOWS!!!

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/17/2008 10:47 AM

Hi Brian,

You are incorrect the 4 x 480v current for 120v is only true for 1ph - 1ph VA= VOLTS X AMPS. If you have 480v x 66.8a then your 3ph kva is 480v x 66.8a x 1.732 = 55.5kva. There are 2 ways you can go about it from here. The first is to get a phase converter, the manufacture would specify 120v output current. The second is to get a 3ph transformer to go from 480v down to 208y120; the Neutral would need to be grounded. The 208y120 would have three legs of 120v; Line to Nuetral and assuming 5% loss across the 75kva transformer winding each of the 3 - 120v legs would be able to provide about 143a, 60-70% loading is recommend you do not want to overload any individual leg so you loads should be balanced acrossed them.

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/18/2008 8:16 AM

Brian, we are not sure what your set-up really looks like. But, true, when you step voltage down through a transformer it steps current up. Excluding losses in the transformer, power in = power out. An electrical supply house in your area can give you the specs on your transformer and explain what you have. I'm sure a contractor is designing the system and you are wanting to stay knowlegable. E-mail me if you want to keep a lower profile. The woods are full of snipers.

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/18/2008 2:23 PM

With tranformers it's all about ratio. The ratio of 480V to 120V is 4:1. As voltage goes down current goes up proportionally, so if you have a 4:1 voltage ratio, your current ratio is opposite at 1:4. If you have 90A on the secondary, the primary current would 22.5A, or 1/4th.

Your formula is whacked.

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

04/18/2008 8:47 PM

What I see here is a 90A. @ 3 Ph. 480 into a 3 Ph.UPS,
(~75 KVA Input Cap.), with 66.8A. (~55.5 KVA Output Cap.), Eff.= 75%.
This suggests that your UPS will produce an additional 20K BTUs for
you to deal with just for the 24KW of 120V. power.
(If there are other loads at 480V, you have to consider the additional
losses for them in your 'UPS" heat gain figure.
If not, why so large a unit if you only require 24KW. of power?)
I'd suggest a 3 Ph. 120/208V. transformer and distribution panel
for your power supplies, 30KVA T/F, 100A. Pnl. & Wiring.

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Re: Amperage change from 480v to 120v and from three phase to single

02/21/2010 8:50 AM

The amperes out of the UPS are only indirectly related to the input amps.

The output will be limited by nominal step down transformer and rectifier losses, battery efficiency issues, inverter losses, and discharge limitations. The battery discharge rate will be limited to some many amp-hours per hour to a load and the ups can not usually exceed a depth of discharge greater than 50% of the bank's capacity.

You got 8000 Watt-hours of bank. Your bank at 24,000 Watts would last about 20 minutes. The fast discharge rate would lower this time frame even further.

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