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Book Review: The Big Bang Never Happened

05/01/2008 7:09 PM

(Summary of the book by Eric J. Lerner, 1991)

Our universe, they believe, began in a single instant as an infinitely dense and hot point-like ball of light, smaller than the tiniest atom. In one trillion-trillionth of a second it expanded a trillion-trillionfold, creating all the space, matter, and energy that now make up the galaxies and stars. Most of it is dark matter, exotic particles that can never be observed. Black holes suck in dying stars. It is threaded by cosmic strings, tears in the fabric of space itself. It is doomed to either collapse into a universal black hole or to expand and decay into the nothingness of an eternal night.

The only test of a scientific theory is how well it corresponds to the world we observe. No matter how well it is liked, if observation contradicts it, then it must be rejected. In the past four years [pre 1991] crucial observations have flatly contradicted the assumptions and predictions of the Big bang. Because the Big bang supposedly occurred only about 20 billion years ago [current figure is 13.7], nothing in the cosmos can be older that this. Yet in 1986 astronomers discovered a huge conglomeration of galaxies a billion light-years across. That must have taken a hundred billion years to form.

Other conflicts have emerged. These enormous ribbons of matter (confirmed in 1990) refute that the universe was, at its origin, perfectly smooth and homogeneous. Finnish and American astronomers, analyzing recent observations, have shown that the mysterious dark matter doesn't exist. By the end of the eighties, new contradictions were popping up every few months. Many by the most respected astronomers, yet most cosmologists either dismissed the observations as faulty, or have insisted that minor modifications to BB will fix it. This is not surprising because the BB has been their life's work.

But now an entirely different concept has developed based on the known fact that 99% of the matter in the universe is plasma – hot, electrically conducting gasses. Extrapolating from the behavior of such plasma in the laboratory, plasma cosmologists envision a universe crisscrossed by vast electrical currents and magnetic fields. Plasma cosmology works backward from the present universe and outward from the earth. It arrives in a universe without a big bang, without any beginning at all, a universe that has always existed, and will always evolve, with no limits of any sort.

One group of astronomers led by Dr. P.J.E. Peebles of Princeton, used a supercomputer to plot nearly a million galaxies. The result is a lacy filigree of interwoven threads, a pattern that was dubbed "the Cosmic Tapestry." These objects were discovered by Dr. Brent Tully, an astronomer at the University of Hawaii.

Margaret J. Geller and John P. Hucra of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics mapped all galaxies within about 600 million light-years of earth. In 1989 they announced the "Great Wall", a sheet of galaxies more than 200 million light-years across, and 700 million light-years long, but only 20 million light-years thick, and involves over 5,000 galaxies.

Still larger structures were discovered by an international team. They found galaxies clustered in thin bands, evenly spaced some 600 million light-years apart like the rungs of a titanic ladder. The entire pattern stretched over 7 billion light-years. They seemed to be moving only about 500 kilometers per second relative to each other. At that rate the pattern appears to have taken 150 billion years to form [over 10 times the current figure for the entire universe].

As these observations became harder to dispute, cosmologists began to introduce new concepts to bridge the gap. This has become increasingly common. The first idea is that the distribution of matter isn't clumpy, it only appears to be. There could be unseen matter between the clumps. This theory is entirely ad hoc. Astronomers can deduce fairly accurately how much matter is in such objects as the great wall by observing the velocities of galaxies around such objects. E. Shaya of Columbia University did that in 1989, assuming no dim matter. The result was the same as predicted by the BB theory, so if it is right, there can't be any matter left over to fill up the voids.

Dr. Jeremiah Ostriker of Princeton University and others proposed the idea of the 'cosmic string'- infinitely thin, infinitely dense objects, but stretching in length from one side of the observable universe to the other. They supposedly move at nearly the speed of light, and a meter of the stuff weighs about as much as the moon. Even cosmic strings could not overcome the time it takes to form supercluster complexes, and there is no evidence that they exist. As Dr. Tully puts it "It's disturbing to see that there is a new theory every time there's a new observation."

What about the problem of the apparent age of supercluster complexes? Cosmologists speculate "Perhaps matter moved faster in the past than it does now." This would take one unknown process to accelerate matter to high speed, and another unknown process to put the brakes on. Theorists speculate that a third unknown process would radiate away the braking energy. This would show up in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), as a predicted bump in the black-body curve (1% for the great wall, 2% for Tully's, and 5% for one discovered by Koo and colleagues). The COBE satellite data had 0.1% accuracy, and it showed no bump whatsoever.

Galaxy formation has long been a problem for cosmologists. BB theory assumes they grew by gravitational attraction from primordial fluctuations in the early universe. As early as 1967, Peebles and Joseph Silk concluded that they would show up as temperature fluctuations ('anisotropies') in the CMB. By 1970 they had calculated that this should be 5 or 6 parts per thousand (ppt), but in 1973 observers showed it to be no more than 1 ppt. Throughout the seventies, observers continually lowered the limits of the anisotropy, and theorists modified their theories to make new predictions below those limits. By 1979 it had become clear that that game could not continue, since there was no anisotropy at even 1 part in 10,000.

Theorists realized that there was just too little matter in the universe. Cosmologists decided to represent the density of the universe as a ratio to the density that would stop the expansion, and they called it W. To stop the expansion W had to equal 1. It appeared that it was only about .01 or .02, far too little to magnify the fluctuations fast enough to form galaxies. This is where dark matter came in. Theorists assumed it to be 1 or the whole BB theory would collapse. The BB theory also predicted the abundance of helium and certain rare isotopes, which depend on the density of the universe. There couldn't be any more ordinary matter, or there would be too much helium, so the 'extra' matter had to be exotic [but it would still have to have gravity].

[For brevity I have skipped "Searching for Dark Matter"]

The alternative to the BB is plasma cosmology. Its pioneer is Hannes Alfvẻn (1908-1995), a Swedish Nobel laureate. The plasma universe is formed and controlled by electricity and magnetism as well as gravity. As a boy Alfvẻn was fascinated by the northern lights. The Norwegian physicist Kristian Birkland had explained that the aurora was the effect of electrical currents flowing through plasma above the earth. In his own experiments in nuclear physics labs, Alfvẻn saw tiny electromagnetic vortices that snake through plasma. The vortices are produced by a phenomenon called "pinch effect." A straight thread of electrical current produces a cylindrical magnetic field, which attracts other currents flowing in the same direction. The tiny current threads tend to "pinch" together, drawing the plasma with them. The converging threads twine into a rope and become plasma whirlwinds.

Over a period of decades, Alfvẻn and colleagues applied laboratory study of plasma to cosmic mysteries. They were met with fierce opposition or indifference. In the seventies, the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft detected currents and filaments around Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. [I read last week in another book that the planet Io is connected to Jupiter by a 'flux loop', which carries a current of 5 million amps, and causes an intense aurora on Jupiter.] Filamentary structure is evident in the Orion nebula. In 1977 Alfvẻn applied his concepts to galaxy formation. In his theory, a galaxy, spinning in the magnetic fields of intergalactic space, generates electricity. The huge electrical current flows in great filamentary spirals toward the center of the galaxy, where it turns and flows out along the spin axis. This galactic current then short-circuits, driving a lot of energy into the galactic core. Powerful electrical fields accelerate intense jets of electrons and ions out along the axis.

A few astrophysicists took Alfvẻn seriously. In 1979 Tony Peratt, a plasma physicist, began to see things in the lab that seemed to confirm Alfvẻn's theory. Working at San Diego's Maxwell Laboratory he saw currents in plasma develop vortex filaments, which twisted up into what looked like tiny spiral galaxies. Peratt used a recently developed program to simulate the action of plasma on a galactic scale. He simulated two filaments of current, each 100,000 light-years in thickness, and brought them together. The results were dramatic. The two filaments merged, generating the graceful forms of spiral galaxies. [A picture is shown of 24 'steps' in the process of formation. In about the middle they look like barred galaxies, and at the end like spiral galaxies.]

In 1989 a team of Italian and Canadian radio astronomers detected a filament of radio emission stretched along a supercluster, coming from the region between two clusters of galaxies. This was indirect evidence of a river of electricity flowing through the empty space. The estimated size of the current was 5-10 million trillion amperes, the same as that predicted by Peratt's model. The prediction of filaments at the supergalactic scale was confirmed by observation.

[He goes on to account for the 3 observed phenomena that the BB claims as evidence. All this is from chapter one. In the rest of the first half of the book he talks about the history the cosmological debate from ancient Greece until now. The history of the BB theories was enlightening. In the second half he goes into more detail and explains galaxy formation and quasars without any dark matter or black holes. In the 'third half' he talks about the implications of an infinite universe on things like politics, the economy, and religion.]

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Re: The Big Bang Never Happened – a book report

05/01/2008 7:44 PM

Just received the book in the mail the other day, have not started to read it yet, should be interesting, if I can understand it.

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Re: The Big Bang Never Happened – a book report

05/01/2008 8:38 PM

Hi jdretired,

What is the copyright date on yours? I'm curious if anything has changed. I may need your help in answering questions.

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05/01/2008 9:27 PM

Hi SG.

FIRST VINTAGE BOOKS EDITION, NOVEMBER 1992.

Copyright 1991 by Eric J. Lerner.

Preface copyright May 1992 Eric J. Lerner

Will assist where I can, but I am just a curious novice.

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05/01/2008 7:54 PM

I agree there is much lacking and/or not understood about the "origin" of the "universe". Since you read the book - how does this plasma theory account for the current expansion of the universe, and everything flying away from everything else?

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05/01/2008 9:50 PM

Hi bhankiii,

The "Hubble red-shift" is one of the 3 observed phenomena that the BB claims as evidence. Lerner doesn't seem to have a theory of his own, but refers to others. In chapter 1 he talks about an expansion that is not the whole universe based on an antimatter theory of Alfvén and Oskar Klein's. In the laboratory, matter and antimatter are always created in equal amounts, so they reasoned that it must be true for the entire universe. We could have galaxies made of antimatter. A collision of matter and antimatter could have occurred 10-20 billion years ago causing the "Hubble expansion" that is "seen" today.

Later on in the book he talks about other reasons to account for the red-shift that are not from expansion. One by Paul Marmet and Grote Reber who say that quantum mechanics indicates that a photon gives up a tiny amount of energy as it collides with an electron, but it's trajectory doesn't change. This would cause it to shift to the red. Lerner sees a fatal flaw here in explaining galaxy red-shift due to the expected amount of matter that has been observed. Another one by J.P. Vigier has the vacuum itself absorbing the energy. The oldest one by Paul Dirac (1938) is so weird I will have to quote from the book: "...That is, the size of everything - objects and the space between - evenly expands, so the distant objects only appear to be red-shifted; but no real expansion is taking place since the density of the universe remains unchanged, everything expanding in place."

This looks like the weak spot of Lerner's claims.

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05/01/2008 11:23 PM

Standards Guy, Just a thought: what if the observed age and distance of those structures have to do with a refraction of the observed energy. As in looking through a multi-faceted prism. The objects are not where or when they appear to be. The apparent acceleration of the universe could be simply a matter of perspective.

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05/02/2008 5:56 AM

Just as well to know the 'End from the Beginning'.. ...http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-end-of-cosmology

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05/02/2008 6:41 PM

Hi davah,

What end? What beginning? Since you posted this link, does that mean that you disagree with Lerner? Did you read the links that I posted within my opening post?

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05/02/2008 9:12 AM

One of the tests that Einstein proposed and subsequently proved out was bending of light due to passage near large gravitational masses. It stands to reason that light may be red-shifted by moving radially outward from large masses and the red shift used to explain the expanding universe may be just an artifact of the fact that as the distance increases, only the progressively more massive emitters have enough energy to be seen. The same effect could also be found in a rotating universe. I never believed in the expanding universe or big bang theory and I am happy to see the orthodoxy being challenged.

The Big Bang always seemed more like a religion than science.

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05/02/2008 6:48 PM

"The Big Bang always seemed more like a religion than science."

Lerner made a big point that the BB had a lot of religious influence, implying that cosmologists keep it alive because it justifies their religious beliefs. I have a lot of trouble with that assessment, because I think most scientists are not religious at all. Personally, I can accept it either way, but I see the BB fitting better with the Bible.

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05/06/2008 10:48 PM

Hi guest, you wrote: "It stands to reason that light may be red-shifted by moving radially outward from large masses and the red shift used to explain the expanding universe may be just an artifact of the fact that as the distance increases, only the progressively more massive emitters have enough energy to be seen. "

The gravitational redshifts from the galaxies are accounted for in the observations. They are orders of magnitude less than the redshifts observed, ruling them out as the prime source of cosmological redshift.

Light is also not redshifted when passing near or through intervening galaxies - the light is blue shifted as it nears the galaxy and redshifted by an equal amount as it leaves the galaxy, so there can be no build-up of redshifts by gravitational means.

The BB theory has some vague areas (like every other theory), but it is the best explanation available for what we observe. After all, what more can we ask from science...

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05/03/2008 3:06 AM

At first I was fascinated by the ideas behind this book but when I saw the publication date I wondered why the book and its ideas remained obscure for 16 years.

I dug around and found that Lerner is not an astrophysicist but is a plasma physicist who did work for NASA on propulsion systems. He also worked on desalinization systems and wrote a lot of magazine articles and science fiction. He has an undergraduate degree in physics but no advanced degree.

Here is a link that outlines the errors in Lerner's book. It is written by Edward L. Wright who has a PhD in astronomy from Harvard. http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/lerner_errors.html

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Don't follow the argument fully but this an answer too the above?

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05/03/2008 11:37 AM

Hi Jd,

Thanks for the link. I have voted for you and cwarner7 a good answer.

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05/03/2008 11:58 AM

Hi guest,

Lerner talks quite a bit about how discouraging it is (and impossible) to get an article published that opposes the current view, and that astrophysicists do not read plasma magazines. He also mentioned George Gamow's lie after the first BB theory by Lemaître: "It is generally agreed at present that the relative abundances of the various chemical elements were determined by physical conditions existing in the universe during the early stages of expansion." Lerner says that this was not at all the case: only a handful of scientists accepted the primeval atom theory. We are now on the fourth BB theory and at least the second of the inflationary versions of that (more that 50 have been studied).

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05/03/2008 12:48 PM

Here is a link for people like you who want answers from people with "credentials":

http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/redshift.htm

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05/03/2008 10:23 AM

Thank you, StandardsGuy, for an introduction to an alternative model. I am at best a novice or amateur in these matters, but have often been disturbed by the time scale proposed by the Big Bang. Furthermore, my understanding of the structure of a typical galaxy (limited, unfortunately, to an analysis of information gathered from popular science literature- meaning it has been filtered significantly) suggests that accretion of mass is a far more significant phenomenon than current theory would have it. There is some interesting work (MOND, for example, of, I believe Italian or Israeli origin) offers a new model of gravity that does not require dark matter to model the observed behavior of galaxies.

"Religion" does not necessarily imply the belief in the existence of a Supreme Creator, but rather is characterized by assertions of theories based not on provable fact but on some unprovable tenet. A Scientist that has dedicated years of study to a particular field has a vested interest in maintaining his pet theories beyond reasonable doubt- else his life's work can be rendered worthless. Mr. Lerner's lack of "accepted" credentials are actually a point in his favor. A brief study of scientific advance will demonstrate that all of the great advances in scientific theory have generally emerged from the fringes, and generally during the early years of a scientist's career (Einstein being the penultimate example of this phenomenon). Looking to "mainstream" science for resolution of inconsistencies between observation and theory is, at least symbolically, similar to asking the Pope his opinion of the Big Bang Theory...

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05/03/2008 1:50 PM

You said

"A Scientist that has dedicated years of study to a particular field has a vested interest in maintaining his pet theories beyond reasonable doubt- else his life's work can be rendered worthless."

I don't believe any astrophysicist would ignore new evidence and deny its validity just to hang onto old theories. Just the opposite occurs. When new evidence comes out that leads to new theories everybody looks at it. If there is a hint of validity it gets a lot of attention. Nobody wants to left behind. They want to be at the leading edge of discovery.

"Mr. Lerner's lack of "accepted" credentials are actually a point in his favor."

This is what every crackpot on the Art Bell show says. I'm not saying Lerner is a crackpot; I believe he is far from it, but this is not a point in his favor.

I am not an expert in astronomy, I am an engineer. It is just somewhat bothersome to see like-minded engineer types be mislead by this guy. Think about it. How much time could he have spent on astronomy? He designs rocket engines, desalination plants and writes science fiction. I'll go with Noble Prize types who are firmly implanted in the field of astronomy and who have spent the majority of their lives on the subject. These people clearly know things that Lerner does not know.

Many of you are experts or at least very proficient in your jobs. You've probably seen new employees who thought they would be at your level in a few weeks; until they screw up and come calling for help. Lerner just may be trying too hard to make a name for himself.

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05/03/2008 5:55 PM

Valid points you make; and I agree there are a lot more crackpots out there than legitimate theorists. However, you must still look at the age of most scientists credited with significant breakthroughs- their greatest contributions, at least in the last century or so, usually come during the early years of their careers (i.e., Einstein, Watson and Crick come to mind). That means they are not yet "mainstream". Once one has spent sufficient time studying a field, such as string theory, to fully comprehend it, it would seem that one would not be too receptive to the idea of disproving the basis on which the theory is founded, since such would tend to invalidate the investment one has made. Just having credentials neither increases nor decreases the value of one's potential contribution (over the years, I have known a number of individuals without advanced education, far more capable at engineering work than some I have known with PhD.'s). If current theory does not conform to ALL of the evidence, then we must seek alternative concepts that more closely model reality as we can measure it, if we are going to achieve any degree of understanding.

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05/03/2008 8:55 PM

Hi mfiedler56,

"I don't believe any astrophysicist would ignore new evidence and deny its validity just to hang onto old theories. Just the opposite occurs. When new evidence comes out that leads to new theories everybody looks at it. If there is a hint of validity it gets a lot of attention. Nobody wants to left behind. They want to be at the leading edge of discovery."

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Theories that are not in the main stream are not printed! Lerner has lots of experience there.

"I'll go with Noble Prize types who are firmly implanted in the field of astronomy and who have spent the majority of their lives on the subject."

Much of the book is about the Nobel Prise winner Hannes Alfvén, who did spend most of his life in the field, and, by the way, was wrong many times. He was a quiet type (like me) who was politically overshadowed by a dick-head named Chapman. Instead of criticising the author, how about giving your opinion on the contents of the links I have provided? Some of them are written by people with doctorate degrees. For instance, do you think the 'Great Wall' could have come together in 13.7 billion years considering the speeds involved?

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05/04/2008 4:05 AM

Response to posts 20 and 21.

First let me say that post 11 as well as 19 are mine.

To cwarner7_11:

Point taken. I will concede the fact that even though Lerner's credentials are not as good as some of those he opposes, credentials alone do not prove who is right or wrong. So there is the possibility that he is correct. I still believe that he is not correct, but in light of the possibility, I will drop the credential issue and focus on the content of the discussion as StandardsGuy suggests in post #20.

To StandardsGuy:

I apologize for going somewhat off-topic by focusing on credentials. I first heard of Lerner's book in this discussion and my instinct was to "check the source".

Content:

Lerner based his theory (at least in part) on what he claims are two errors in the big bang theory. That is: the time for large structures to form being greater than the age of the universe and the lack of evidence for dark matter. (The big bang theory depends on the existence of dark matter.)

One explanation for these large structures is that they started forming when the universe was much smaller and everything was closer together. Then the structures expanded along with the expansion of the universe.

Lerner's theory may suffer the greatest damage from observations made in 2006 that proved the existence of dark matter. They observed a small plasma cluster passing through a larger one. The plasma slowed down but the gravitational field of the dark matter did not. See link:

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/06_releases/press_082106.html

I don't know how much damage this discovery does to his theory. If his model of the universe excludes dark matter (from what I read I believe it does) then he will need to do a major overhaul. This discovery certainly adds to the evidence pointing to the big bang.

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05/04/2008 12:18 PM

Hi mfiedler56,

Thanks for getting on topic. At last we have a discussion. First let me say that I don't think Lerner has a theory, it's Alfvén's. Second, Lerner failed to convince me that the universe is infinite in space and time, just as I am not convinced that the present BB theory is correct. However, there is good information in the book. Third, your link failed to convince me of dark matter. This is obviously a plasma collision. Notice that the author said nothing of plasma theories. Electromagnetic forces are at work in plasmas which are at least 10^40 times as powerful as gravity, so dark matter is not required to explain the collision.

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I have nothing more to add but I would like to say thanks for starting this topic. I was interested in this kind of thing years ago buts haven't kept up with it. This has given me the motivation to look at some of the new developments taking place.

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05/06/2008 11:04 PM

Hi S. You wrote:

"This is obviously a plasma collision. Notice that the author said nothing of plasma theories. Electromagnetic forces are at work in plasmas which are at least 10^40 times as powerful as gravity, so dark matter is not required to explain the collision."

Was it really a plasma collision? I'm under the impression it was merely hot gas that was observed. In any case, I fail to understand how a 'plasma collision' would explain the observed effects. The crux of the observation was not the actual collision, but the fact that the hot gas and the dark matter were separated in the collision. This does not quite prove dark matter, but it's bad news for "no dark matter theories".

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05/07/2008 8:09 PM

Hi Jorrie,

"Was it really a plasma collision?"

That's a good question. An equally good one relating to that link is "How do galaxy clusters collide?" The distances are large in a galaxy so that one galaxy can pass through another without any stars or planets colliding. What would collide would be the gas between the stars. The collision would make the gas hot. Not being a plasma scientist, I don't know what effects would be observed.

"The crux of the observation was not the actual collision, but the fact that the hot gas and the dark matter were separated in the collision."

Some hot gas was separated from other hot gas. The dark matter is a supposition. I'm not saying it isn't there, I'm just saying there might be another explanation. For instance, antimatter. The space between may be the result of a matter-antimatter collision resulting in total annihilation.

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05/03/2008 11:54 AM

If I remember my history correctly, Hubble himself never claimed that the red shift was evidence of an expanding universe. That was an explanation offered by others. But it is a reasonable explanation of what we can see from our vantage point. At least the part of the universe that we can 'see' appears to be expanding. Other theories, such as 'tired light', the 'multi faceted prism' mentioned in #6, or the 'rotation' mentioned in #8 seem to require observations that haven't been made yet.

But I don't see any real conflict between BB and plasma. BB seems like a reasonable explanation for what we can see (~12 billion light years in any direction), and electric currents flowing through the plasma is a reasonable explanation for the organizing force behind the creation of galaxies, galaxy clusters, the filamentary large scale structure of the observable universe, etc..

I do think that the description of all of this astrophysical speculation as 'religion' is spot on. Our information on these subjects is quite new, provisional, and woefully incomplete. Much of the physics behind it is currently untestable, and barring a major new source of energy is likely to remain so for a long time. We still have no real understanding of gravity, just descriptions.

Maybe the universe is 'infinite', or at least vastly larger that the part we can see. Maybe the BB evidence we see is just a 'local' phenomenon. Maybe other 'nearby' but invisible to us parts of the universe have had their own 'local' big bangs that are crashing into ours, and pushing some of their old stuff into our field of view. Maybe Martian scientists are using thought control rays to make us all (except for those smart enough to wear tin foil hats) think this is what we are seeing. Maybe its all just droppings from a giant sacred turtle or something...

Anyway it does sound like a fascinating book. Good work. All theories should be challenged. Astrophysics is so incomplete at this point that it makes economics look like science.

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05/03/2008 12:45 PM

Hi johnfotl,

"If I remember my history correctly, Hubble himself never claimed that the red shift was evidence of an expanding universe."

You are correct.

"...and electric currents flowing through the plasma is a reasonable explanation for the organizing force behind the creation of galaxies, galaxy clusters, the filamentary large scale structure of the observable universe, etc.."

I agree

"All theories should be challenged."

very true. This is the scientific method, is it not?

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05/04/2008 2:04 AM

The big bang never happened? Oh my gosh! My whole belief system is in question! What am I going to do? I'll expect to to see this as the main story in every newspaper on Earth in the morning! Wow! The big bang never happened! Holy crap!

While astronomy is very interesting and I love seeing the photos of the distant planets and galaxies, and reading about the science and engineering required to build space probes and space shuttles, and reading about the heroism of the astronauts, I understand that man does not know a single fact about how the universe came to be and I understand that he never will. And I am not concerned in the least.

Astronomy and theories about creation are fun and very interesting. We have a lot of theories about what we have observed but we know absolutely nothing about the origin of the universe and it really isn't important. We're here. That's all we know, that's all we will ever know, and that's all that matters.

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