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Fan Selection HVAC

05/08/2008 8:11 AM

hi guys.

could someone please help to point me in the correct direction. I am designing a product that removes air from an underfloor air distribution plenum and moves it to occupants above desk level. Given that the airflow rate is too low through the plenum I am going to insert a fan into a 6inch air pipe sitting on the raised floor. How do i select a fan for this? I have read fan selection guides, but am unsure about certain factors.

i require a flow rate of360m^3'h through a 6 inch pipe. Now given that the plenum is pressurized at circa 0.1 " w/g, how do i determine the static pressure for the fan? i am considering using a 6"compact axial fan

any ideas would be great

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/08/2008 7:27 PM

Hi ,

the static pressure depends on diameter and total length of your duct and number of fittings ( elbows,tees,dampers,......)

you will find all these data in tables and charts for your duct

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/08/2008 7:48 PM

hi thanks for the reply. The pipe is 6in diameter and 1.4m high. there are three 60mm diameter outlet fittings, that are 250mm in length, and at 90 degrees to the pipe. How do i calculate the static pressure for these, or the pressure drop? Stupid question probably but i am bewildered by fluids.The duct is also vertical and made from polypropylene.

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/08/2008 10:28 PM

Hi ,

i'm sorry I haven't tables or charts for polypropylene ducts

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 3:37 AM

I would urge you to take a look at this if you are not familar with various ideas concerning UFAD It may helpyou to consider alternatives to your concept

http://www.price-hvac.com/content/flash/ptm/ptm.asp?Section=Underfloor%20Air%20Distribution

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 3:58 AM

Is it awkward? Nah that's not the word? Oh backwards engineering; that's it! But - Why? Why is the air flow rate through the plenum too low? Or is it an assumption? What would be a causation of this predicament?

So let's address the symptom and not the problem...Is it cost effective? What is the goal? Not efficiency; what then? H?

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 5:50 AM

backwards.

The point of it is to provide airflow above desk level, thereby improving personal control of airflow. It is purely conceptual. the pipe is intended to provide flowrate to 3 people, hence the requirement of 360m3/h, providing 33l/s to each individual.when selecting th fan i am unsure of how to work out the static pressure for the fan characteristic curve.so any help would be sweet.just to point me in the right direction

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 9:33 AM

dear ufadnewbie,

can you give a layout for your issue to explain the location of plenum,outlets ,suction side ,.....? so , what is the benefit of plenum?

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 10:11 AM

The required airflow will be equal to the average velocity times the duct area. Therefore the first selection item is outlet velocity of the 6" fan. However as you increase the velocity to match the volume required the static pressure resistance will increase exponentially.

Your problem would be much easier if you picked one system of measurement to work with (SI or IP).

Since the pressure information on the fittings and configuration is not easy to come by, and since your not dealing with large size equipment, it might be simpler to build a prototype system in your lab or workshop with measurement devices and run tests at various settings. One of my suspicions is you will have to deal with fan and air velocity noise issues. Make adjustments until you are happy with the configuration, and then make the real thing.

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Re: Fan Selection HVAC

05/09/2008 3:22 PM

ufadnewbie,

First correct the plenum

flow rate then provide an point of use adjustable vent to each individual.

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