Lubricant in Car... Yes or No.

Are you expecting a lot of input from Turks ?

Damn I've replied again .

Del

It looks more like the Turds-Head Knot!!!

Depends whether you want the car to go along, or just sit in the driveway (or be left somewhere along the road when it seizes up). Your choice!

In the car is OK. In the engine would be better...except in 2-stroke.

Remember being able to do them when I was a young fella, used a lot around ship railings. Lubricant in car? what is it you are not telling us?

Regards Knot head.

A positive thing about an old car without oil is that it don't smoke.

It must be possible, over here we have the 1 hour advertisements on TV about a car traveling across America without oil. (I don't know the result because I haven't watched the end yet) The advertise an additive. (Maybe Viagra-Oil)

What lubricant? Where? Cars need LUBE???

Really not the right forum to talk about sex in cars.

By putting Vaseline in lower recess of my neighbor's car's door handles, I have put lubricant in car.

Signed

Knot Head

Maybe

As someone who has sold plenty of motor oil, axle grease, spray lubricants and oil filters, I'd have to say yes, cars need lubrication.

On the other hand, drivers should not be "lubricated" until AFTER they are through driving!

Do you realize that you're saturating the Internet with your drivel?

Type "Ya bunch of knot heads" into Google, and this thread appears (number 1).

Type "Lubricant in Car... Yes or No." into Google, and this thread appears (number 1).

What's the 'fingers on keyboard' equivalent of 'verbal diarrhoea'?

And if you think that's bad, Google Lucious Prn!

If we don't spread our drivel here, we'd wind up alienating our families and friends! That is, the ones we see in person.

Arnold let you out on work release again?

it is better to store the lubricant in the workshed or bedroom depending on te lubricant :p

True story

An eccentric old priest who had been the Chaplain at my Uni, purchased a Mini Minor and drove it relentlessly without servicing for 40,000 miles, before it ceased. The RAA (roadside assistance) came to his rescue, looked at the dry dip stick and asked "How long since you put oil in the engine?" to which he replied, "Goodness me, If there is supposed to be oil in the engine, surely they put it in at the factory!"

On the strength of this many a student purchased a Mini as indestructible

I am sure that if he taken the Mini to its first service, it would have gotten stuck in the cathedral doors!!

See? I'm telling ya, there may actually be a sort of self-lubricating process within car engines... Oil is just a big scam (like cow magnets)!!!

Cow magnets are a scam? I don't know about that, my grandmother kept one in her bra for years....said it helped her heart.

Cow magnets work just fine - in a cow!

I had a college roomie who purchased a MGB/GT after running his Ford Pinto into the ground (not that hard to do). He came in one night complaining that the engine had stopped just as he pulled into the parking lot. On inspection it was found that the engine was blown and that there was no oil on the dipstick. We asked him if he had been checking the oil and the answer was, "no, in the Pinto I waited until the engine started making noise and then just added 3 quarts of oil. I expected the MG would do the same."

Does this answer vermin's questions?

Same technique (audible oil level warning) worked with Ford Escorts - the hydraulic valve gear starts clattering when the oil's low. Worked for me for years - 'til the car got nicked & torched.

Only regarding MGs.

You're a BAD man to prove we ARE just too dumb NOT to respond . I guess I am totally ADDICTED to CR4 ... maybe I need REHAB

When I was a kid, they told me if my Chrysler slant-6 ever ran out of oil, I could just 'piss' in the crankcase and it would keep going .. never tried it ... had better things to do with my 'wanger'

The Mopar slant-6 is probably the closest thing to perfection an engineer has ever made! Of course, I'm talking in terms of durability.

Perhaps a metal distributer gear would have allowed perfection.

There's a good reason why that will work.

The ol floats on the pee and brings the surface back above the oil pump input pipe.

Method wont for ever!!!!

Wonder how far you have to go before you have an engine full of Brylcreem ?

5000? 'Tub' just will not allow it.

For every 1 you get over 1500, Tub will do 2.

I never did get much feedback on "riblets". Maybe I'll modify it and try here. What's your preference, baked off or barbecued?

B-B-Q any day!!!

I need some lube right about now.

If you and Del could get together and create a silicone-ceramic high temp bearing material, we wouldn't need lubrication in engines, motor bearings, wheels, pulleys, kid's bikes, you name it.

Olive oil. Even women love it. Odd women can't do without it.

Why odd women?

Are you talking about internal or exteral lubrication?

We're in the process, but it takes time to get kitty litter just right!

You'll get at least 50 posts for sure. I feel honored to be a member of this knot head club.

I assume that you mean 1. back seat 2. fun stuff with a female companion?

Oh yes - I vote YES!

That will depend on your propulsion system, obviously. If you're using a conventional propulsion system, it's definitely necessary. However, if you're using an over-unity, Tesla coil boosted, retro-encabulator modulated magnetic energy drive system, then no, you don't need to lubricate since the entire system is frictionless, including the tire threads. But of course, the reason why you won't need any lubrication for auch a propulsion system is because with 100% frctionless tires, you won't be going anywhere anyway!!!!

Nah! Nothing that sophisticated! Just one big-ass JATO unit sticking out the back window.

Hello vermin

Yes, Lubricant in a working car is essential.

I thought you really needed a direct answer.

Apologies re the fuzzy outline around the emoticon, but I'm sure you can clean it up.

Kind Regards....

What is the real question here ??

No good getting philosophical with vermin .

What?! Do you mean right there?! I don't know, it's your box!

No!

Lubricants are just another way for the oil companies to hose us. This includes petroleum jelly's such as Vaseline and KY.

But if we are talking about ceramic lubricants, then we're good to go for many hours of motoring pleasure.

KY is water-based.

THAT'S what I did wrong ...

Smoke ... flames ...

[Honey, I'm SO sorry ... ]

Lubricant, one automatically thinks of oil, but even water is a lubricant under the right conditions? I once had to design an acid plant and used a sealed pump with ceramic bearings, even these had to be lubricated by the acid to prevent seizing. So if we are not to be knot heads and move forward, may I suggest that a solid state system such as a hydrogen fuel cell may answer the question?

Regards JD.

aren't all oily substances considered a form of an acid?

Possibly? some lubricants turn to acid in my stomach some times.

Regards JD.

I know that one!!!

But, please! Stick to the topic! If I put lubricant of any kind into my JATO, it only makes more smoke - I just hope it doesn't slip itself out of it's place in the rear window!

You could change your name to Spot.

Splat would probably more like it!

What about graphite ?

By itself, it tends to catch on fire.

That must be why you don't see propelling pencils no more. They don't even seem to bother putting rubbers on the end of them nowadays, and I'm still looking for one with a built in sharpener.

I heard once that petrol (that would be 'gas' to you I think) was a bit of an accident. When the oily gunky stuff was first found, they though 'hey, great. This is just what we need for lubricating axles and stuff'. It wasn't until some time later that there was a use found for the other fractions. It's a sort of can vs can-opener thing. I rarely use buses because I keep hearing people complain about how they always see several going the other way before theirs turns up. It's one of those highly improbable statistics that has to be seen to be believed. Oh no, I'm rambling again. What's worse is I don't even know if it's 'Off-Topic'. Can I get away with simply saying "Castrol" ? Nobody said "Tribology" yet either, so I'm going to indulge myself with "On-Topic".

Hello Kris

I entered on your good behalf: Results 1 - 10 of about 22,000 for propelling pencils suppliers. (0.29 seconds)

It does appear that you are still wearing your dark glasses, because these useful pencils are still being made, and with erasers on the non-writing end.

Anyway, why do you need a fitted eraser, unless you are expecting to make mistakes.

BP buys Burmah Castrol

As far as Burmah Castrol goes, I understand it was purchased by BP, with the loss of 1,700 jobs worldwide - Refer http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/676927.stm Tuesday, 14 March, 2000.

As far as Tribolites go, Refer: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_tribolites

Tribology reference here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribology

Now there is no opportunity for error, you won't require that eraser on the non-writing end of your new propelling pencil

Kind Regards....

SparkY, Andy,

I think Kris was referring to the the propelling pencils that used to be around years ago - they had leads about 1.5mm dia, and (I seem to remember) used a twist action to extend or retract the lead. These were superseded by chuck pencils, still with the thick leads, until the current 'hidden chuck' type (with the metal support tube) came along, with 0.3, 0.5, or 0.7mm dia leads. For some reason, these are usually called 'automatic' pencils around here, rather than 'propelling' pencils.

Hello JohnDG

I well remember the early propelling pencils, got my first one in the middle 1950's, and I still use two of these, but unfortunately these early screw type pencil leads are becoming harder to obtain.

Plenty of leads are still obtainable for the clutch type, originally from Staedler in Germany, around 2 mm in diameter, with a lead sharpener at the non-writing end.

thanks for the info.

Kind Regards....

We lump all of them together and call them mechanical pencils. Life is much simpler over here.

Spontaneous combustion eh?
BTW...POMPEY won the FA cup yesterday... and I was there....
Can I hijack the knot head thread by asking what's the best sporting event you have attended?

Del (Special operative for Harry Redknapp's Blue Army)

Go for it, cat-boyt!!!

You may have a few too many knots on your head already! If not come to a real red-neck bar.

I am sitting here sipping a favorate lubricant ( Wild Turkey) and that does not belong in you while you are operating an automobile.

It is a funny thing that such an asanine question would ever get a answer - yet here I am yet again - fitting in your view point - being a part of a bunch of knot heads.

I have had a few knots on my head, most, either in or just out side of a good old red neck bar.

And in forty five years (in and out or red-neck bars) did any of us care one little twit about the lubricants in any vehicle. Did wish there were more on the oster shell parking lots at times.

So if your rod are knocking then maybe you needed (past tense) some lubricant a little while ago.

I think ethanol comes under the heading of social-lubricant.

Now bear with me on this one as it is a long time ago and my link to this guy is somewhat convoluted.

My uncle's dad used to know this guy who never ever had his oil filter changed or the oil changed in his car, he only ever topped it up. This is true.

He claimed, a bit on the ignorant side of stupid all would agree, that those little metal flakes we call wear and tear, came from somewhere and should therefor stay in the oil to fill those places back up again when needed. If you remove them you cause all sorts of trouble.

Unfortunately I do not know how his engines fared but I don't think they could have done that well unless he was one of those Sunday only drivers and measured the longevity of his cars not in miles but in years of his life.

I don't care what the outcome is of this thread, I am having fun and I will always put oil in my engines.

p.s. do they put oil in exhibition cars in museums and all that? Just curious

That and a lot of stabilizers!!!

The cool thing about old Detroit V8's was that they were so over-engineered that they could handle a shit-gob of abuse and still keep running.

When I was an adolescent, I was not the family favorite. So, as a result, when it was time to buy me a car, I always got the shit-barge. I remember a Mopar 318 I had. When we bought it, one of its piston rods had been bent because the cylinder filled up with water... And you know what happens when you try to compress water!!! Even still, this damn thing ran - missing one cylinder, a third of the oil gone, and a blown head-gasket!!!

Sounds that shit barge was actually a good thing after all, maybe the blessing in disguise.

A colleague of mine has a Yam xs650 (I think but it may have been another one as the Yam was not water cooled I think) and the engine has stood for several years on a workbench. He tried it without doing anything to it and within seconds of starting it it started to squirt water out of one of the heads overflow outlet. Took it apart and found the pistons and valves had all corroded almost solid and the starter motor just broke them free. All the bits that were now free floating in the engine made for some gritty and abrasive work going on in there. Had to throw the lump away as he did not want to even rebuild it.

So what about these "infomercials" ( 30 min. long TV commercials ) where they drain the oil out of the engines and then run them for hours to prove how superior their 'oil additive' or 'substitute' is? How do the hydraulic lifters pump up? Why is there no 'Rod-Knock' due to excessive bearing to journal clearance? HUH??!! WHY!!!???

And why are they NOT shown on German TV? (Thank God!!) Because they break the law!!!

They basically sacrifice the engines to make a good commercial. On CR4, someone posted an experiment done by Briggs & Stratton. They pulled two identical engines off the line, put the slick stuff in one then drained the oil from both. Both engines ran for a fairly long time, but when they dismantled 'em, both engines were completely trashed inside.

I've seen demonstrations at fairs with engines with oil pans removed that just keep running. I have notice they will use old Chevy and Ford straight sixes and run them at low rpm except for a few brief bursts that SEEM scary.

Years ago, in a car club I belonged to, one of the guys was going to put a 600 Hp 327 cid engine (he got the build specs directly from Grumpy Jenkins) into a 6 cyl. "66 Nova. We were going to toss the 6 cyl. anyway, so we put it on the lift, pulled the pan and let it idle. We ran it for an hour and it wouldn't cease. We fixed the throttle about half open. Kept running. Finally opened it all the way. A half hour later, after throwing speedy dry at it, it finally melted the bearings.

I think all of those old six cylinders are about the same, Chevy, Ford and Mopar. As long as there is no load on them, the bearing size and mass of the crank is enough to dissipate a lot of heat. And with any oiling at all, even thick gooey stuff, they can give service forever as long as parts don't fail from fatigue. Why do you think Toyota "borrowed" it's early Land Cruiser engine design from Chevy.

Your post makes really good sense to me. Thanks.

See? I told you this was a good topic!!!