As in all things relativistic, it depends upon your frame of reference. As I understand it, rest mass remains constant, it's relativistic mass that increases as you get closer to the speed of light. For this reason, something with mass can never reach the speed of light, since the closer you get, the higher the relativistic mass, the more energy needed to accelerate it. Jorrie can (and hopefully will) explain this much better.

no friction in a vacumn so maybe obtainable only planetary gravity and black holes

You wrote "no friction in a vacumn so maybe obtainable only planetary gravity and black holes"

My response "What?"

What the?

Clearly, in a cranial vacuum there is no friction to retard spurious emissions planetary gravity resulting in a black hole of knowledge that leaves me with a great chuckle.

Quote: 1 nut (1563) wrote: "no friction in a vacuum so maybe obtainable only [by] planetary gravity and black holes"

To me this looks like the very common question: can a black hole accelerate an object in free fall to exceed the speed of light? The short answer is no. All objects crossing the event horizon of a black hole will approach the speed of light relative to a stationary (hypothetical) 'locally Lorentz' frame of reference, but never exceed c. For all practical frames of reference at a safe distance from the hole, the object will come to an apparent standstill just before it crosses the event horizon

If I recall my Eistein 101, put another way as a body approaches the speed of light its mass will enlarge infintely to the extent that no force in the universe can accelerate any further...or something like that.

There you are so wery wrong. All mass can go over lightspeed if the mass has a suport beam that elliminate the expansion. Read my first post!

OK, so far the speed of light is a limitation. I'm sure you've heard the thing about as an object gets closer to the speed of light, it gains mass... On-and-on until infinite mass, blah, blah, blah. Because photons have no 'rest mass,' they can travel at the speed of light. In fact, a change that Einstein made to Newton's theory is that kinetic energy IS the increase of mass gained by an object in relative motion. Whether you're talking rockets or golf balls, their kinetic energy IS their gain in mass resulting from their motion. Here's where it gets weird... Neutrinos also travel at the speed of light, but there is a lot of evidence that neutrinos have a rest mass! But the jury is still very much out on that one. Even more weirdness... A Swiss (I think) physicist has set up an experiment where he sends a radio signal through the air (a couple of feet) and sends the same signal through a 'tunneling diode,' traversing the same distance. An odd result occurs: the signal that has to go through the diode travels about two and a half times faster than the radio signal, which is traveling at the speed of light. Quantum mechanics, states that some of the electrons (that carry the signal) on one side of the diode should instantaneously appear on the other side of the diode. Scientists said that was OK because no real information traveled faster than the speed of light. The physicist's response was to use his cassette player to send Bethoven's 9th over both links. Though a bit noisy, the 9th came through faster than the speed of light. This was a fairly uncontrolled experiment, so the scientific community is still chewing that one over. That's about it. More than you wanted to know??? Regards, Vermin-

There's a lot of referring to mass increasing with speed in this thread. A word of caution: 'relativistic' or 'moving' mass are rather outdated concepts, because mass is defined as a primary attribute of matter. Therefore, physicists prefer to say an object has a fixed rest mass, independent from the reference frame chosen, and a relativistic momentum that depends on its velocity as measured in a specific reference frame. So relativistic momentum depends on the reference frame chosen.

When a massive object approaches the speed of light in a chosen reference frame, it's momentum approaches infinity and it takes near infinite energy to be accelerated further, as viewed by that reference frame. Some other reference frame may however view the same object as moving slowly and easily accelerated. Confusing? That's relativity!

I concur. Imagine being in a very close orbit about a blackhole (assuming you are not dead). You see time and the Universe moving at an incredible rate. However, from the perspective of someone a long distance off with a MAGIC telescope, you are just another piece among a frozen junk yard. Unmoving or crawling insanely slowly toward the event horizon.

That is the best explanation I have seen on this post. I am not a mathematician and I have not seen the proofs nor would I understand them if I did. Still I don't buy it is there not some proof that has been shown through experiment? has no one measured this effect at much lower velocities. If it is true then I guess we better get to work on an infinite energy power supply.

Pleasure rollinshultz. As for evidence, there's a-plenty! Particle accelerators have to spend enormous amounts of energy to get particles like electron, protons, neutrons, etc. up to 99.9% of the speed of light. And the more energy they pump in, the closer they will get to c, but they will not exceed it.

You asked a simple question and the answer is Yes. There are things that go faster than the speed of light. Light as a wave and light as a photon are still the same thing. If you look at what AE said and beleave relativity light has to have mass or the equation does not work. This resting mass and no mass at the speed of light does not work if you think about it. This is just the way we explain the things we do not fully understand. When you look at relative motion and mass the mass appears to be largeras it goes faster and faster. This is only to the observer. To the person stading on the mass there is absolutly no change in mass and the force related to moving that mass does not change because someone out there is looking at you. Think about that for a min. or two.

I have a question then since we're on the topic of the speed of light If I am travelling at the speed of light, and i turn on my headlights. Will the light luminate my way?????????

Quote: "Will the light luminate my way?????????"

Well, first of all, your car cannot travel at the speed of light! :) Secondly, if somehow it could, light still travels out in front of your car at the speed of light, gets reflected and travels back to you, at the speed of light relative to your car. Nobody quite understands why light has this behavior, but experiment upon experiment upon... has shown that to be true!

Quote: "You asked a simple question and the answer is Yes. There are things that go faster than the speed of light."

Hey, Dr, you better come up with some scientific evidence for this statement! Otherwise, we may perhaps not believe you...

As for mass increase with velocity, read the modern view in my post #8158 above.

Kurkoff I believe it is called Radiation the name is not important. We dont see things going faster than the speed of light because as the infinately small amount of matter that is a photon gets anywhere close to other matter that is infinately larger than it, it slowed to the relative volocity or speed limit of light with respect to that mastter. If the universe is expanding and has "any" rotational volcity the edges of it with respect to each other have far sense pasted the relitive speed of light with respect to each other. The fact that light should have mass or else AE was wrong all together means that it is affected by gravity and the other forces that we know of. To say that nothing travels faster than light is in and of itself incorrect.

Charge particle acceleration is the only way to see the greater velocities. Unfortunately, charge particles (electrons for example) start radiating energy as they gain velocity or momentum.

There is no real idea yet about the type of matter present in Black Hole. Gravity is a weak force and nested all through the universe. Perhaps it opens up in Black holes and becomes stronger. How? No idea. Perhaps there may be two separate types of gravity strings or two states of same string. Light disappearing in Black Hole could be its transformation into matter, which may finally bind to other dense matter.

There is no end or edge to the universe as there is no end to the earth's surface. However, this example is not very close to visualize endlessness of the universe. We are in expanding phase now and we will be in collapse phase also.

Most disturbing thing is how from nothing, something as big as our universe can come out. Why universe exists at all and why we exist? We shouldn't be there at all. Whatever created us also shouldn't be there. We see things as they are reality and they disturb us.

How the entire universe can start from a point, not even a small ball like Black Hole? We are a part of greater mystery as well as a part of its partial knowledge.

Shyam

Cherenkov radiation is what you refer to, I think. Take note that this only happens when a very high speed (but slower than c) particle enters a optically denser medium and temporarily moves at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium. What is referred to as the universal speed of light, c, is the speed of light in a vacuum.

Finally, there is adequate evidence that the universe is not rotating. Any other evidence for speeds greater than c?

I've heard that positrons could be thought of as electrons moving backwards in time. But....

I don't remember where I heard that
I don't know if its remotely true
I don't know if that means it's moving faster than light or not(I doubt it)

I found this discussion on positrons moving backwards in time. I realize now I heard it when I was reading Feynman's QED lectures.

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-9 7286.html

AFAIK, the notion of positrons moving backwards in time is part of Feynman diagrams, which makes it easier to picture QED. Today positrons are routinely produced, amongst others in PET scanners in hospitals, and those are definitely not moving backwards in time!

The chance that the Universe has Zero rotation is 1/infinity. Do not think that this is the one universe that we are in.

Quoting Dr Clean Air: "The chance that the Universe has Zero rotation is 1/infinity."

I must somewhat agree with your statement, because zero identically is a very, very stringent requirement - but there are observations indicating that the rotation, if existing, must be immeasurably small.

However, suppose there is some, yet to be detected, rotation of the cosmos. What does that say about objects moving faster than the speed of light? In my opinion, it says nothing. I anticipate the argument will be that even a very small rotation will mean that at near infinite distance, the rotational velocity must approach infinity.

This is obviously absurd, because if space is rotating with whatever tangential velocity at large distances, galaxies will be dragged along with space, just like they are dragged along with the expansion of space. Net result, nothing will move faster than light through space!

Hello Alika i think mass is still mistery like wise gravity is still mistery.our focus on mass and gravity need more resarch.if we want to leave our glaxy even the light speed not suport because light is also need time to travel.i think there is more mediums we still dont know.

Movement in any of the 3 spacial dimensions "robs" from the objects continual movement in the time dimension. If you want to move at the speed of light through any spacial dimension, you will no longer be 'moving' through the time dimension.
Since; 'To exist'-infers time, people believe nothing can move faster than c and continue to exist.
Changing mass, or other odd ball reality quirks are only symptoms of the underlying 'time' limitiation.

Time-is the combination of all of which we do not know regarding all the other dimensions and aspects of reality.
I believe movement faster than the speed of light is possible- however it causes the object to 'jump' out of our reality, and enter the abyss of 'time'.
The same limitations of our reality also become evident in the "odd ball reality" of quantum mechanics.
Our reality breaks down the smaller you go or the faster you go. Reason "TIME"

What about dark energy and dark matter. we can't seem to detect or measure it. we can't detect or measure anything above c. A diode transfers simple energy, a radio signal physically travels through the air, (friction), that's why a diode sent the sound faster! In the vaccum of space, the remenants of the big bang and other massive explosions are still traveling above c in sub-atomic particles. Why are astro-physicists perplexed over the detection of things entering our solar system at near the speed of light that they say would have had to come from a supernova's blast to generate that high speed, But the matter can not travel more than 5 million light years before being destroyed in space, but no such expolsions have occurred less than 5 billion light years away! simple, the matter traveled as energy at above the speed of light across the universe. as it finally slowed down to below c within our detection range, we are able to detect it. within any given galaxy, over 95% of the total mass is traveling at above the speed of light, at the sub-atomic level.

I think that we are looking at this wrong. You are right nothing excises without time and the problem with time the way we treat it is that the 3 physical dimentions do not vary with respect to one another. time being the fourth dimention is treated differently. Lets look at it this way.. If time is constant and the 3 other dimentions are the same as we treat them today, what are the implications for four dimentional space? This would mean that we look at motion as the apparant cause of time differences based on forces and gravity not warped space. This means that time could be used in a static form and opens up a new line of thought on the models of the universe that we see now. The possibility is limitless. Think about this for a min. before you comment ok.

Mr. Van Hoesen,

You have presented a very interesting concept, providing a unique point of view. I hate to admit however that I am stuck trying to picture any 'new' physics from your proposed perspective. I am sure that your concept is over my head, causing me to be trapped in a circular thought process, that in the end leaves me convinced that viewing motion from time dimension-rather than spacial- only inverts the math, and does not change the answers. Kind of like changing the 'sign' of a given velocity, if it is traveling towards you, or away from you.

The end results are not impacted. I was originally proposing (without any evidence-or much thought) that 'time' is incorectly viewed as a single additional dimension, rather than viewed as a collection of all the extra dimensions of reality, of which we only perceive the net sum of their interactions.

I read once that matter simultaneously exists as mass and energy, I believe it constantly shifts from our spacial dimensions to others. Thus it is mass when we 'see' it in our dimensions, and it is 'seen' as energy while existing as mass in other dimensions.This is only eveident when trying to view the smallest portion of mass, and it is because we only 'sample' reality, in space, and our sample rate prevents us from seeing between the lines.

Hi all,
I am new here! Anyway I have studied space crafts from Zeta, Nebila, Dhal, Draca and Pleiads for a wery long time now and by doing so I know all there is to know about lightspeed and beyond. So I think it is time that the world knows about it and here is my notes...

To the point wery soon but first an intruduction to Space travelers;
DEFINITIONS:
Spacepeople are creatures who come from a geographical place outside the Earth and must cross the space in order to come here. A nature plane is the world a creature observes through his normal physical senses. Prubunsic nature planes are those nature planes that lay after each other along the dimension coordinate 6 (microidic density). Prubunsic space travelling, are space travelling in the hyperspace along the dimension coordinate 6. The hyperspace is the space seen with its total amount of dimensions who are more than 4. Humpnap is a therm for Human Physical Nature Plane. This is the term for that nature plane on Earth where the human physical civilizations reside. The engonic nature planes are those nature planes that lay along the dimension coordinate 5 (the energy dimension). This scale is at Earth described as the difference between the etheric plane, astral plane, and mental plane and so on. Engonic space travelling is space travelling in hyperspace along the dimension coordinate 5 (the energy dimension). The ulbutrasic coordinate system is a coordinate system that the dimension 5 coordinate is the vertical axis, and the dimension 6 coordinate is the horizontal axis. Those 2 axes are placed 90 degree to each other. The time is the depth axes who point right out of the paper 90 degree in relationship to the 2 other axis. ITM is a process for two way energy transfer between energy planes. The process is used to create propulsion energy for interstellar travel, teleportation and many other things. A microid is particles that carry the waves that finally make up the physical universe and all the different nature planes in hyperspace. The density difference between the different types on microides makes the prubunsic dimension axis. The difference between a microide and a super universe is the dimensions coordinate 7. A superuniverse is a mikroide in an atomic universe inside another super universe one step up on the dimension coordinate 7. In the microide meets the biggest and the smallest. The microidic plane is energyplane 7 on dimension coordinate 5. A cosmos is a 4 dimensional globe among many others inside a super universe. We live inside a cosmos. A cosmos can also be mentioned as a universe.

STARSHIP ENERGY SYSTEMS
This text discusses an energy system specifically designed as the main power supply for starships. The system is intended to supply the main propulsion system of the ship. The main propulsion system is constructed so that the tube from the energyplane 2 source goes directly to a "crystal ball" where the propulsion force is generated. The injection amplifiers and other necessary equipment for the main propulsion system are driven by a HELENE oscillator. The oscillator is equipped with its own energy plane 2 source and modulator. This source is independent of the source used in the main propulsion system. The propulsion system modulator consists of a tube approximately 2 meters in diameter and 6 meters long. The tube contains 1000 injection electrodes. If a crystal modulator is used, the crystal must also have 1000 electrodes. The main propulsion modulator can have approximately 1000 channels. Each channel must provide +/- 1000000 Volt PEP and have a frequency range from DC to 1 GHz. The power in each channel amplifier must be 1000 Watts minimum. If a crystal modulator is used, each channel must have +/- 1000 Volt with a frequency range from DC to 1 GHz. The minimum required power is 10 Watts per channel. Within the modulator a frequency picture is generated which is at the correct phase with respect to a target star. This frequency picture is used to generate the attractive force which draws the ship to the star (this is system B for interstellar travel). There are also 2 other modulators in the ship. These modulators are used to create the compensation field allowing the ship to travel faster than the speed of light. Each of these 2 modulators has its own generator and amplification system. There is also a third extra modulator. This modulator generates the antigravity field surrounding the ship, which is used to repel meteors and other things encountered during space flight. This modulator can be further modulated by a sub frequency picture which creates a cloaking (invisibility) field. The antigravity system is also used for precision steering when the ship is within a planetary atmosphere. The ship described here is the cigar-shaped "mother ship" type. In the drawing is shown only the HELENE oscillator and the main propulsion system modulator. Normally the main propulsion system circuitry draws approximately 10000000 Watts from the HELENE oscillator. This oscillator is the heart of the ship's power supply system. The power generated by this oscillator, as much as it is, is still negligible when compared to the power generated by the ship's main propulsion system when the ship is engaged in interstellar travel.

THE SPEED OF LIGHT AND INTERSTELLARE TRAVELLING
When a polytron moves with high velocity through space, a Doppler effect is created in its energy plane. This means that the swing product of the polytron is changed with respect to the normal frequencies of that energy plane. If the Doppler Effect is big enough the swing product of the travelling polytron approaches the gravity frequency. This causes the polytron to massively attract gravitons (particles which are oscillating at the gravity frequency). One can say that the mass of the polytron increases in an uncontrolled way. At the speed of light the doppler-shifted frequency of the polytron will be in phase with the gravity frequency. The solution to this problem is to compensate the Doppler shift by out phasing. Aboard a spaceship this is done by using special materials in the front and rear of the cigar shaped mother ship. The front unit keeps the swing product frequency down as the ship approaches the speed of light. The rear unit raises the frequency of the swingproduct to prevent time dilation between the spaceship and the planets. These phase-compensating methods can permit the ship to exceed the speed of light. This method is called system B for interstellar travel. Another method is to bring the entire ship up to a nature plane on energy plane 2. This means to move the ship along the energy dimension far enough that graviton binding is released. This causes the ship to disappear from the physical nature plane and appear on a high etheric nature plane. On this nature plane the maximum speed is the light speed multiplied by it-self. While the ship is in this mode it is totally invisible to any human instruments. This method is widely used. The limitation of the method is that the crew must be developed enough that their consciousness can work properly within the person's etherical and astral bodies. If the crew is not developed to that level they will lose consciousness while the ship is in the high mode. When the ship returns to low mode the missing gravitons are reinstated and the ship appears as from nothing seen from humpnap. When the ship is in high mode it can go right through mountains and other physical things without causing interference with those things. In this mode the ship travels through the Earth to reach the underground bases built by the space people without being detected by Earth military. In high mode the ship can travel faster than light without difficulty. The propulsion method is the wave method where the ship is put in phase or counter phase with respect to waves in the cosmos. The system which switches between high and low mode is called system C for interstellar travel. There also exist other methods of interstellar travel. One of these methods is to manipulate space and time itself so that the ship is moved through space without needing to directly travel the normal physical distance. This method creates shorter paths through space by bending three-dimensional space itself in a fourth physical dimension. In advanced systems using this technique you can jump from one spot in space to another without using time between jumps. The ship can effectively enter a plane which is time-independent. From this plane a frequency picture which is in harmony with the target area is emitted from the ship. This causes the ship to teleport instantly to that target area without loss of time. With this method it is also possible to travel forward and backward in time. For time-travelling the frequency picture corresponding to a special historical event must be emitted in combination with the frequency picture to the target area. This will cause the ship to teleport to the right space and time. The timeless plane has its own time dimension which is independent of all other time dimensions. Inside the timeless plane you will find that you are floating in a white fog. It isn't necessary to eat and you do not grow older. Your thought activity is normal and you can move your body within the space you occupy. By mental power or technical equipment you can teleport from the timeless state. This system is called system A for interstellar space travel. This system is used by the Pleiadians. Their method is to accelerate the spacecraft to near the speed of light. When the right speed is reached, the ship is frequency-shifted into the timless state and then teleported over a distance of many light-years. The new Pleiadian method doesn't require acceleration to light speed before teleporting. The Zeta Reticulis also use a modified A method. They use three combined rays of gravity to create an intense gravity field which is strong enough to bend space in the 4th dimension. They don't access the timeless plane directly but make a short-cut through space. When they then travel physically a few thousand Km they are in fact travelling several lightyears. They amplify the gravity frequency in certain gravity amplifiers which are phase-shifted 180 degrees with respect the normal gravity frequency. Their method is a cross between methods B and A. To access the gravity frequency they use the element with periodic number 115. This material emits a copy of the gravity frequency at energy plane 1. This frequency can be amplified with ordinary electricity-driven energy plane 1 amplifiers. In a gravity amplifier output unit the energy is converted from energy plane 1 to energy plane 2, which then generates the propulsion energy. If you make a momentary (movement) via the timeless plane, you will not experience an intermediate condition. The energy limit needed for momentary travel is lower than the energy limit for entering the timeless space and remaining there until you teleport. If you use a lower energy rate than this critical limit you teleport automatically. With this in mind it is possible to create a special spacecraft which has a so-called annulative (impulsive teleport) propulsion system. This spacecraft will oscillate in an out of the transport state periodically in a serial of hyper leaps. The distance you move in the transport state depends of the strength of the initial high energy force injected into the propulsion field just before the hyper leap. The ship only needs approximate 0.5 picoseconds to jump. The crew will therefore not register this jump at all. The ship can, for example, move 1000000 Km in each jump 100000000 times a second. The propulsion mechanism could be a condenser which is charged with the right high energy power. This condenser is discharged by a "thyristor" mechanism which is triggered by a frequency of 100 MHz. The energy of each discharge is transferred to a transporter converter which initiates the ship's jump using a power field that is in some ways similar to the field in a black hole. When the jump distance is set to 1000000 Km and the trigger frequency is 100 MHz, the speed of the ship is just above the speed of light squared. The actual physical speed causing the kinetic energy can be much lower. Seen from the physical side the ship can perhaps move only at 100 miles/hour or stands still. The propulsion speed is therefore artificial and has nothing to do with normal natural physical laws of movement. There is no limit how fast a ship can move using this method. By increasing the jump setting and the trigger frequency it's possible to travel intergalactic distances in short times. You can also undertake inter-universal space travel. In order to leave our universe and travel to another universe, the energy injected into the transport field must be greater than the escape-energy from our universe. The escape energy is 15 Zontal-S for our universe. In this kind of ship both the jump setting and the trigger frequency can be varied. The trigger frequency must be over 100 KHz. Over this frequency level the crew will feel nothing from the propulsion. An advanced ship of this type is able to scan the target point just before jumping. This happens in the picosecond-time the ship is in the timeless space. From this space it is easy to observe every point in the universe. If there is an object at the target point, an extra amount of energy is injected into the field, causing the ship to jump a little longer to avoid the object. A system-A propelled ship will have the kinetic energy it had when it began its travel. Since all planets are moving with respect to each other, the ship's kinetic energy with respect to the target planet may be much larger than the kinetic energy with respect to the planet from which the ship began. Before landing the ship must balance this energy. This braking can be done by using a system B propulsion system, braking the ship by antigravity waves. If one doesn't do this the ship may collide after the system A propulsion is turned off. This will occur even if the ship lands using system A. The ship can be standing still by means of the A system by jumping to the same point in every jump. This makes it possible to land with the kinetic energy potential. Another method is to balance the kinetic potential by direct ITM after a system A landing. If the system is turned off without this balancing the kinetic energy can be discharged all at one time causing the ship to collide if this energy vector is pointing down. If this vector is pointing up the ship will take of immediately. If you travel to a planet in another galaxy the kinetic energy potential will be so great that you must use direct ITM to balance this energy. In another method of system A travelling you don't need a ship at all. By this method you use a hand-held transporter at the size of a small walkie talkie. By pressing a button you can with your inner eye (clairvoyance) get a picture of the target area. By pressing this button the box injects energies into your aura that enables and amplifies your natural clairvoyance. In the clairvoyance mode you can search out new places. When you have found a suitable target you keep the picture of this place clear inside your head while you press another button. This button registers the place you had in your head in the box memory. The box then calculates the coordinates for teleporting to this place. When the box has done this an indicator on the box tells you that the system is ready. By pressing a third button you are moved momentarily to the timeless space. Then the box transmits the frequency picture which harmonizes with the target location. You are then rematerialized in the target location immediately. This happens so fast that you will not feel the moment when you were in the timeless space. The target can be anywhere in the universe, from a neighbor's house to a planet in another galaxy. The time the system uses to dematerialize and materialize is the same independent of the transport distance. Right after arrival at the planet in the other galaxy your kinetic energy potential to that planet is balanced automatically by ITM. In the box you can store coordinates to many places. It is possible through meditation and other esoteric training methods to develop the power to do system A jumps without any technical devices. In this case the ability is programmed into the structure of your higher bodies. The Pleiadians have a ship they call variation 5. The ship uses this method to jump via the timeless space to another target in one big jump. The big Pleiadian mother ship also uses this method, which enable them to jump over distances of thousands of lightyears in a single jump. The timeless space is common for the entire super universe. It's therefore possible to jump from one cosmos to another. The energysource must in this case be beklimatization energy, by modulating the zontalray by unatomic vibrations inside a special crystal. CIGAR SHAPED SPACECRAFT (System B Propulsion) Large cigar shaped "mothership" craft use system B, which is essentially a wave propulsion system. The system generates energy plane 2 (hereafter, EP2) waves which are in counter or discounter phase to EP2 waves present in space. The mother ship operates according to the following general description: At the front of the ship are some conic holes. These "holes" are transmitting and receiving devices. The "holes" can be invisible seen from the outside of the ship. The receiving holes are placed behind the transmitting holes. When preparing for interstellar travel, the ship directs its front in the direction of the target star. The swingproduct from this star at EP2 are received by the receiving holes. These holes are connected to an EP2 receiver. In the receiver the signals are digitized. Then the signal is directed to a powerful computer. This computer calculates the modulation frequency picture which will put the ship in the right phase with respect to the EP2 waves from the star. This electrical frequency picture is generated by a PLL generator array. The frequency picture is split up into many channels. Each channel is amplified to a amplitude of 1000000 Volt PEP. Each channel is connected to specific electrodes inside a high-energy modulator tube. Through this tube runs an orgon force or other suitable force. Inside the tube a frequency picture similar to that generated by the star, but in another phase, is generated. This picture is modulated into the high energy stream running through the tube. The modulated EP2 stream is mixed with an isotropically generated EP2 field which surrounds the entire ship. When these 2 frequencies are mixed you get a frequency which is the sum of the two original frequencies. This frequency sum creates an attractive force between the ship and the star on energyplane one (EP1). The modulated EP2 stream is mixed with the unmodulated isotropic field at the transmitting "holes". The reason for the mixing is to eliminate centripetal acceleration. The propulsion force will work at the same level on every atom in the ship at the same time. This means that the ship can make rapid course changes and accelerations without affecting the crew. When the ship approaches the speed of light a special device in the ship is activated. The device compensates for the Doppler Effect the ship generates in the microidic plane by the ship's movement. This Doppler Effect causes the mass of an object to increase as it approaches the speed of light. This is caused when the material frequency of the object approaches the gravity frequency. If these frequencies come into phase the mass of the object would be infinitely high. The compensation device transmits antidoppler waves on EP2 causing the effect to be eliminated. When the compensation device is active the ship can travel faster than the speed of light because the ship's mass no longer increases. The EP2 waves have a speed which is the square of the lightspeed. This permits the ship to move at close to 90 billion Km/sec at maximum speed. (90000000000 Km/Sec) Around the ship is a force field loaded with antigravitons (particles which are oscillating in a phase opposite that of the gravity frequency). This field prevents the ship from colliding with something. If the ship moves toward an unknown black hole, the ship is automatically repelled from the hole because of this antigravity field. This will cause the ship to swing around the hole and contain at its normal course. The EP2 velocity allows the ship to reach the Sirius system in approximate 20 minutes at its maximum speed. To reach the Pleiades the ship needs approximate 14 days. If you are going to travel to the Andromeda galaxy, you will need energy plane 3 energies, which permit intergalactic travel at high velocities. The speed and acceleration of the ship are controlled by the phase difference between the signal transmitted from the ship, and the signal received from the target. When the ship approaches the target star system the ship transmits counter phase waves with respect to the target. This will cause the ship to brake. When we arrive in the target solar system, we turn off the frequency picture causing attraction to the star. When we find a planet in the system, we can lock the propulsion system to EP2 waves emitted from the planet. This attracts the ship to the planet. As we approach the planet we emit counterphase waves with respect to the planet. This will brake the ship enough to enter a planetary orbit. The orbital altitude is decided after the ship leaves its counterphase state. If the brake is big enough the ship will enter into the planetary atmosphere. Here we can control the ground altitude of the ship by using the force of the antigravity field surrounding the ship. Standard altitude is approximately 5000 meters. Here the ship is typically stabilized and scoutships sent out. If we take the mother ship near the ground, a zero gravity zone will be created between the ship and the ground. Things on the ground under the ship will then lose their gravity. Some objects may be attracted to the ship because they absorb antigravitons from the field around the ship. (According to the law of gravity, two things which both have negative gravity with respect to a third thing attract each other). This influence effect will only occur with small things. Against the big thing (the planet) we still have a repulsive force. If a small thing approaches the ship from outside the antigravity zone it will be repelled. The influence effect will only occur with things which are forced inside the antigravity field as it would be when the antigravity field reaches down to the ground. The steering of the ship inside the atmosphere can be done by bending the planetary magnetic field in different angles and directions around the ship. The ship can move by attracting and repelling the planetary magnetic field. In order to bend the magnetic field, one must use EP2 forces in an ITM process. If the planet doesn't have a magnetic field, one can bend the gravity itself in desired direction and steer with that. This will cause the ship to "fall" in the desired direction. This text has outlined the use of system B for interstellar travel. There are several other principles which are used for interstellar space travel as well.

GLOBE AND SAUCER SHAPED SPACECRAFT.
This type of spacecraft functions in a different manner than do cigar-shaped craft. This type of ship doesn't use energy plane 2 (EP2) waves from a star as its reference. Instead, it uses a universal EP2 reference which is present all over the universe and which doesn't have any specific direction. Inside a globe-shaped spacecraft are 3 reflecting areas placed in the pattern of a 3 dimensional triangle. This material reflects EP2 waves. The 3 reflectors are used for propulsion and steering. The reflectors reflect the energy which is directed against them from an EP2 generator. In a saucer-shaped spacecraft these generators can be placed in a triangular pattern under the spacecraft or at least inside the under section of the spacecraft. In some spacecraft the generators are not directed against a reflecting material, but use antennae directly inside 3 globes. In the drawing of the globe-haped spacecraft only one reflector is shown. Generator B is a heterodyne generator to generator A. Generator A can change its phase 360 degrees with respect to generator B. The generator A+B swing product will be at the frequency of a universal EP2 wave. The reflector will beam the A+B swing product in the travel direction. Since we have 3 different A-type Generators in the spacecraft in a triangular pattern, we can steer the ship in the proper direction by putting different phases at the generator A antennae. Then the spacecraft will travel along the resulting vector which is the sum of the 3 different generators A forces. In a saucer-shaped spacecraft generator B is the vertical rod which is in the middle of the ship. The 3 A-type generators are the 3 globes under the ship. The reason why we use the sum of A+B as propulsion is because through this approach one can eliminate the centripetal acceleration in the ship. This will cause the propulsion energy to act on all the atoms in the ship at the same time. The crew will therefore feel nothing from rapid course changes and acceleration. The G force during such maneuvers will be eliminated. The C Generator will create an antigravity zone around the ship. This will automatically cause the antigravity stream always is bigger than the gravity stream around the ship, which prevents the ship from colliding with other objects in space. This field will also cause automatic compensation allowing the ship to move faster than the speed of light. As one can see, this ship is much more simply constructed than the larger cigar-shaped mother ship. This ship must have an advanced navigation device since it does not steer automatically against a preset energetic target. With this ship there is a danger that one can lose one's orientation in the galaxy if one isn't observant and the navigation device should fail. This can't happen with the cigar-shaped spacecraft when its propulsion system is active. The globe-shaped ship can use interstellar propulsion forces all the way down to the ground. This can have negative influences on persons near the spacecraft during landing. This because the waves from the spacecraft affects a person's etherical body (energy plane 2). The waves from the propulsion system in an intergalactic ship influence a person's astral body (energy plane 3). The A generators are usually turned off just before landing. The observable result of this is that the light-emitting aura around the ship disappears. With the A generators off there's no danger being near the ship during landing. If the ship should land in a city, the 3 A generators are turned off approximately 100 meters above the ground. The B and C generators are set in counter phase with the gravity frequency holding the ship flying. Landing is accomplished by gradually decreasing the power output from the B+C generators. The disadvantage of this method is that the ship is without steering after the three A generators have been turned off. If the wind is strong in the area the ship can be blown off course. In practice this type of ship has a system that can bend gravitation with respect to the ship, and use this for steering all the way down during landing. If the ship has this capability the A generators can be turned off when the ship is still in space. A ship that uses the A generators within the atmosphere will create a strongly illuminated etheric aura around itself. The light is generated because the valence electrons in the air atoms are alternated in phase with the power field created by the A generators. This causes the air atoms near the ship to emit photons. This also causes radio interference, especially in the VHF band. One can thus observe vertical stripes and other disturbances on a TV set near such spacecraft. These craft are often strongly illuminated as mentioned earlier. The light cloud surrounding the ship can be so strong that it is difficult to see the ship structure itself trough the cloud. The field creating this light is often the heterodyne A+B field. This is the main propulsion field that surrounds the ship. If a car comes near such a ship the motor may stop because the etheric wave front from the ship can blow the electrons out of the wires in the ignition system. If the field is strong enough the electrons from the accumulator are also prevented from following the copper wires. This causes the entire electrical system in the car to stop. You can measure magnetic and electric fields in the vicinity of such a ship. When coming to Earth, such a ship often modulates a subcarrier into its B generator. This acts as a cloaking device, making the ship invisible to human eyes. A cloaked ship must use steering frequencies which do not create an illuminated cloud around it. If a person comes too close to a ship with the etheric cloud surrounding it, the person's etheric body can be temporarily damaged. The radiation from that cloud can cause burns to the person's skin. The electrons can also be blown out of the person's nerves, causing temporary disability. There have been cases where the space people haven't taken this seriously enough. This has caused trouble for some persons who were to close to the ship. Inside the ship itself this radiation is different. It generates only a soft light coming from everywhere. Some space people are immune to such radiation and thus do not understand the Earth human problems with this. When the ship is in space itself the radiation from the A+B generator is no danger even for Earth humans. It's the etheric cloud created around the ship while in the atmosphere which can be the danger. This cloud does not form inside the ship, and thus is no danger there. The etheric cloud creates new etherical frequencies which can be dangerous. The A+B field itself has no dangerous effects. Earth military are often hostile to these ships. This is one reason for keeping the A generators on all the time: it makes the ship able to accelerate away from military projectiles and rockets. If the ship can move along the energy dimension, then such attacks are no problem because the ship can swap to another nature plane where the projectiles have no effect. Some spacecraft come from planets which do not have engonic transport capabilities. It is these ships which are susceptible to military attacks. Some of them have cloaking devices, but often these devices do not cover the entire electromagnetic spectrum. This makes it possible for the military to trace such ships with special radar and scanners even when the cloaking devices are active. Some ships are also protected by a disintegration field just outside their hulls. The primary function of this field is to disintegrate small meteors and other physical objects which might penetrate the antigravity field during space travel. This field will disintegrate military projectiles and rockets. Spacecraft which do not have this protective field are vulnerable to military attacks. On most planets there is no problem with military technology so many ships do not carry special protective systems against such attacks. D.Myrland, 06-08-1984)