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can I use flash drive as RAM?

07/13/2008 11:13 AM

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I want to increase the RAM of my laptop from 1GB to 2GB. Can I use flash drive anyhow to increase the RAM of my laptop?

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Re: can I use flash drive as RAM?

07/13/2008 12:00 PM

My guess is that the flash drive could be fast enough to be beneficial -- but that the USB port would slow things enough to make the arrangement no better than using the hard drive as virtual memory. (Of course there is also the issue of actually having the device recognized as RAM by programs that need additional RAM.) However, this is really pure guess -- mainly I am responding to see what others say. It is in interesting idea.

Googling "using flash drive as RAM" I found a lot of info, much of which seems to indicate that it could work pretty well. One post mentions that flash drives have a limited number of read/write cycles, so when used as RAM, they could eventually malfunction. I have no idea if that is true or not. It would be interesting to experiment. If you do so, let us know what happens.

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Re: can I use flash drive as RAM?

07/13/2008 9:36 PM

Theoretically you could. Realistically however, it is your OS that regulates the use of your RAM and your hard drive as virtual memory, so if your OS doesn't allow you to do this, then no, you can't.

The only ways you can do this then is you create a program that enables you to use your flash drive as a RAM, modify your OS to do this, or write your own OS.

Hey, maybe this might be an interesting project for all you programmers out there.

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07/14/2008 11:33 AM

Isnt this exactly what the computer developed for OLPC does?

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Re: can I use flash drive as RAM?

07/13/2008 11:31 PM

If you are using Windows Vista you can. Its called ramboost. When you plug in your usb key you will be given the option to do this. However it will not perform aswell as the ram plugged into your mother board. You are better off buying more ram.

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07/14/2008 1:34 AM

Hello Abid,

Your laptop? Make? Model and mother board type etc. would be helpful. Do you have eSATA or Fire-Wire port maybe?

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07/14/2008 4:42 AM

With Vista OS yes. I don't know about any other OS.

New flash drives are coming out that are fast enough to make it worthwhile, but I don't think you will have much luck with the slower cheaper USB sticks.

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07/14/2008 9:44 AM

Not really.

Op.Systems can use even Hard disk as ram, but at the expense of speed.

Of course flash memories can work higher frequencies than ones produced some years ago, but still much slower than RAM.

As a result you can use flash memory as ram if you agree with the lost of performance!

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07/18/2008 10:21 AM

I agree, but the short answer is 'No'.

You can use it by putting a swap file on it, but that is pretty slow.

My suggestion is to use it to sore files on, and expand the swap file on your C: drive.

RAM can normally not be put in via USB, SATA, IDE, SCSI or any other I/O device attachment that supports disk drives, but must be put in on the 'memory bus' and is limited to the slots available on your mother board.

Expand the memory on your mother board (laptop) first to the maximum, then make a large (REAL memory size x2 or 2G whichever is larger, and make it fixed size). That is about as much as 'mear mortals' can do in that area.

In computer performance there are several 'food groups':

1. CPU Speed

2. Memory size (RAM)

3. Display ( display card, monitor combination)

3. Disk storage (Hard drives and DVD/CD)

4. Networking

The maximums of the first two and the speed of the interconnections betweek them all are pretty well set upon manufacture. You really can't do much to increase the first two beyond the architeched version (yes, there are ways to speed up CPUs, but that is only for the experimenter that is VERY experienced and willing to take chances). Displays adapters can be added taht go faster, etc, but unless you are playing games, most folks don't need the 'biggest/fastest' available. And the monitor may need to be updated to support the latest the display adapters can give.

Disk drives (and DVD/CD readers and writers) can all be changed out. In laptops really fast drives generate a LOT of heat. Even on desktops they will, but speed costs. DVD/CD devices can be swapped out too. More features are always coming, and some are useful. Many are used seldom by few folks.

Networking... you probably don't need a 10GB or better ethernet adapter. Yes they can be had, but given that most cable doesn't provide a full 6MBit data rate full time, more than the old, slow 10MBit ethernet adapter is overkill. ... In my house we run a 100MBit network, but it is used INTERNALLY for backups, etc. My son has pushed for a Gigabit, but even he won't see any significant sustained improvement untill we upgrade just about all of the network pieces he uses (mainly on the file server and switch). If you have 10 or 100MB ethernet available from your ISP, then I might suggest going to the next step up (100MB for a 10MB connection, 1000MB or 1GB for a 100MB connection) might make some sense.

But 1000MB or GB connections use more CPU time to drive them.

Back from old mainframe days, we were tuning all the time. Every time you speed something up, the bottle neck moves somewhere else. Most good computers are sold like many stereo / video systems, with 'matched' components. If you start making changes to fix issues, the issue then just moves elsewhere. Don't consider that to be bad, ... it is just life.

I hope this helps someone. ... Sorry about the long diatribe.

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07/18/2008 12:02 PM

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07/20/2008 5:08 PM

Hello servant74, it's nice to meet you.

1-I've observed that guys at cr4 are looking if another way exists anyone experienced with for but answers we already know...

2-I don't want to be seen as an authority about this question.

3-I don't believe that every question has a unique answer.

These are the causes of my word "not really" instead of "no!".

It must be true my approach, if not, you would not commented it, would you?

By the way, i agree fully what you have been told.

Hoping to see your comments in other discussions too,

Thank you.

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07/14/2008 10:59 AM

One point about ramboost under Windows Vista. This does not actually increase your available application memory. What it does is move some or all of the swap file from the amazingly slow HD to a much faster (but still much slower than actual DRAM) flash drive. There are a number of limitations. You will need to use a drive that is fast enough and is large enough to take the swap file space. Not all flash memory is created equal, some devices are much faster than others. You will need USB 2.0 (not a big deal for newer hardware, but some older laptops don't have that.) so that the throughput of the USB interface is not a bottleneck. And of course as was stated earlier flash drives have a finite number of read/write cycles before they fail. Newer devices have a much longer life than the older ones, but it is still finite.

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07/14/2008 3:03 PM

Basically no, you can't as you can see. Back in the good ole days I use to use RamDrive and set the swap file to that; then have others as 'program space' by having the autoexec copy files to them ;) I'd like to be able to do that now-a-days with something like a 2GB RamDrive ;) Have the autoexec copy my game to that RamDrive and run it off there... lol But RamDrive is limited to some 32mb or so... Maybe less. In the good ole days there were a few experimental boards too, plug them in and plug your hd into them and wa-la... You have up to 32mb of ram for your hd buffer!:)

I personally would love a newer RamDrive that could handle upwards of 2 gb... I can dream! :)

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07/14/2008 4:39 PM

How 'bout Xeon i5400XT, Quad-core Xeon E5420 x2

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