Free energy claims........AGAIN?!

"why all the crap in these websites are being openly spread on the Internet?"

Because the need for delusion outweighs the need for clear thought. Same is true for the political climate at large.

PT Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute" (or something like that ).

I agree with you completely that there is a HOST of junk on the internet, but it's hardly limited to "free energy" ... I am still drowning in emails promising me everything from a million or so dollars to a larger 'member'.

The part I don't agree with, however, is any form of censorship. For me, I would prefer to see the "half-man-half-alligator" myself and judge for myself, than to have someone else telling me the circus can no longer come to town.

[that's all ... gotta get back to building my N-machine ]

the half man half alligator is on display in Longbeach Washington.

Mind you it is all fun - When I get tired of reading stupid 100 page contracts then scanning the free energy stuff puts it all into perspective he he

Actually sometimes the contracts bear a remarkable similarity in their claims!

Cheers

rogerzz

probably free energy is a motivating factor to search some thing cheaper than available like the saying there is a pot of gold at the end of rainbow you may end up with a pot of copper instead of gold if you start looking for gold at the end of rainbow. we have a story of an old man telling his sons he has buried lot of wealth in his large agricultural land and its up to his sons to locate and share the wealth and old man breathed his last and his sons went about digging the entire land and found nothing and decided since they have dug up the land they can as well plant wheat,maze etc and hit a bumper crop and made pots of money and thanked their fathers mischief.

crm

Think back to your school years.

Some students, because of their aptitude, personality or parents, developed the habits of study that enabled them to master the basic tools needed to understand the world. They often went on to further develop their skills with additional schooling or with experience gained under knowledgeable instructors.

Other students, through laziness or lack of opportunity, didn't develop these skills. The easiest way for the second group to delude themselves into thinking they're as good as the first, is to discredit the first.

For example, if I know nothing about the inner workings of (say) the Heart, that's OK, everything those so called experts think they know is rubbish anyway. My own personal theory (that's filled with tiny magnets) is TRUTH and I'm just as smart as any Heart specialist.

There's a lot more laziness and arrogance out there than conspiracy.

Be careful! I used the term "Greenies" referring to enviornmentalists in one of my comments and received a reprimand from an editor or something. You may be OK though because these free energy people are probably used to and immune to being called wackos.

I can assure you that as an environmentalist there is little, if any, of the 'Green' platform that I adhere to. As a future political platform it may well begin to dictate the policy of "as we see it" without the benefit of understanding a damn thing.

I do, however, subscribe to the idea that those professionals who are conscientous of the environment do their utmost to protect it.

The 'free energy' pitch is nothing but snake oil salesmen posing as snake oil marketers........an unfortunate breed of loser with nothing to do but think of ways to make money from the uninformed. In their minds...."that's what its all about".

Agreed. Thanks for quantifying that. My referance is to the thing which is insincere and/or serves a likewise personal agenda.

As in any field there are extremists. Unfortunately the non-extremist tolerates the antics of the extremist for what they consider to be the "greater good". This leads to the nonsense that is the current Global Warming hype.

It is incumbent on each individual to do what he can to protect the enviornment or save energy or what ever the issue happens to be.

When these groups, whether enviornmentalist or whatever develop the arrogance of "knowing" theirs is the only opinion that can be right we end up with the Al Gore view of Global Warming and the subsequent "tyranny of the righteous" which leads to the "Some" the "Enlightened" controlling the masses. A new type of Monarchy that the American Public revolted against in 1776.

The notion that the elitists can impose their view and "morality" whether religious or enviornmetalist upon the masses shows how these new "religions" arise. It is the recurrance of the few determining what the many should do.

Enviornmentalism is the new religion. Unthinking obedience is the only path. A lot like Islamic Extremism.

It is the new Tyranny!

Beware of the "Righteous" whether communist, religious, fascist, Islamic or enviornmentalist.

would you please express your ideas in plainer language so readers who may be like myself unable to come near understanding what you are writing about may do?

thanks

'da ber

You said........"Beware of the "Righteous" whether communist, religious, fascist, Islamic or enviornmentalist." ....I would add Bushist, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Libby.....and all those others who brought the US to the brink of losing their peoples civil liberties....

Any form of extremism is tyrany posing as an idealism that drives the incumbents psyche. Just depends on which end of Utopia you happen to want.

St. Gore is right about one thing. If (emphasis on the word if) the polar caps melt New Yorkers should invest in boats to get to their respective jobs. Parking might be a problem.

Hyperbole.

In the milliniums past there is evidence that our ancestors lived near the shores in many places throughout the world which were later inundated by the melting glaciers and rising oceans. It is a fact of life on a living Planet. To think they caused it is nonsense. There weren't enough of them to to cause anything.

Conversely, at other times there were man made piles of seashells far inland, evidence that man had lived there, next the oceans. The weight of the Glaciers depressed the mantle and brought the sea far inland. Hardly caused by ancient man.

Short story. The thermal inertia of the planet is too great to be affected drastically by man.

Who is to say that today, rather than any time in the past is the optimum condition of weather? Only the arrogant, self absorbed, power mongering.

Enjoy your socialism submit to the tyranny of the minority, surrender your free choice, it is yours to surrender.

The earth is composed of thermodynamic systems that are still trying to be understood. Climate change is a given whether it is precipitated by natural or man made events or by a combination of both (which is probably closer to the model of today).

To unequivocally state that it is one or the other is completely unscientific. To take the position of one or the other is just plain arrogant and serves either opposing political platforms or self serving interests.

The trick is not to let anybody do your thinking for you.

do you or contributor morgan 23 have any idea of what you are writing about?

as for the reference to the first posts' reference to the influences of the "new" world order on society that idea as as nearly as nonsenical as the words you use. each generation of "human inhabitants of the planet earth" is in itself and by the definitions of the word "new" as in new world order is in and of itself a new world order. with sarcasm intended, is that too deep a concept for the first writer, you and morgan 23 to comprehend?

do the readers who use this a medium of exchange to educate themselves and other people who are willing to express anything that is beneath your or morgan 23's intelligence the opportunity to do so, not putting any more of that form of "dumbness" on the site. sparkstatation will you block these 2 from putting any more of their idiotc spouting on the pages.

thanks, 'da ber

If I was anything less than a gentleman I'd be inclined to say we've been insulted by a horse' ass.

But seeing as I am a gentleman I won't say we've been insulted by a horse' ass.

I will, however, be gracious and thank you Barf for your most eloquent command of the English language......

Wow! that's clear.

What I find annoying is if someone does make a break through in energy how would you ever tell? One needle in a haystack of chaff.

I was listening to a Nobel Prise winner in Physics one night on the radio and his wife talked him into going to a local cold fusion conference. Not for cold fusion but for ideas. He did say he was surprised by the quality of science that was being conducted.

Inspiration can come from anywhere. As I stated before, just because the idea has problems does not mean it does not have parts that are ingenuous. You do not have to take it or leave it as a whole each part must be judged on its own merit.

Is over unity possible? NO! Do we fully understand the system we live in? NO!

Gravity, Time, Entanglement, are just a few issues.

I hope to produce my own IC engine here in the next year. Efficiency could be 3 times above what is being put in our cars.

We get way to emotional over issues we should be showing why they are incorrect. Otherwise there is a loss of science being acted upon. I'm sure the oil companies and their owners would love for every good efficient idea to be lost in the mess.

When I bring an idea here I'm looking for issues with my thinking/idea/concept not an attack on my person. Yes some have convictions no amount of data/teaching can correct. But to punish the rest for having thoughts not quite correct is our failing.

Brad