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CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/06/2008 12:29 AM

Have anyone tried to Install cctv security system for a small job order shop to keep a watch on raw materials store and inprocess goods( like S.S, Stellite incoloy etc.)?

Is it economical ?We have an indication of theft in our small workshop by insiders ..

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Re: CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/06/2008 12:41 AM

Hello Bala Pullat

Yes.

Some of those stolen/missing products are very costly.

Get the CCTV system installed after normal staff hours.

The cost will be a bit more, but well worth it.

An employee/insider who is stealing from the employer, is not one to keep on the job, and you need good evidence so he/she may be fired.

Advise nobody else of your intention to install the CCTV security system, use pinhole cameras, working via wireless back to a secure receiver/recorder.

Reason for keeping it to yourself, is that there may be one or more "insiders" who are working together.

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08/06/2008 2:14 AM

Over here it seems better to have the staff know about the cameras. To save expenses one can install some dummy cameras and move the real ones around.

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Re: CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/06/2008 12:29 PM

Some of the comments will generate different results.

Do you want to catch them in the act so you can fire them? If so, keep it to your self and hide the cameras

Or

Do you just want the theft to stop? If so, tell everyone your going to put in the cameras, tell them they will be fired if they are caught. Then go buy some fake cameras and place them all around so they are in plain sight and looking at everyone.

(just don't tell anyone they are fake, or it won't have the same effect.)

I was at one time making a film to train new employees. When I finished filming, I set the camera aside next to a window overlooking the shop floor. (it was a good spot because it was out of my way.)

Next day the production numbers we a record high... go figure?

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08/06/2008 11:53 PM

One of our customers had a problem with a test system going down during the night shift.

We suggested they place a camera to view the tester 24/7, 2 nights later one of the night shift workers was seen opening the doors and tampering some of the test needles inside the fixture, a few hours later, they went back and ractified the problem.

The following day no problems could be found with the system, the camera picked up the cause, and that person lost their job over it.

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Re: CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/06/2008 11:57 PM

it doesnt worth much. you can save it by unexploy guards.

the guards will be out of work

its not difficult to set up this set.

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08/07/2008 12:10 AM

We had a "little" sabotage happen last year, plus a few fire extinguishers stolen plus some minor pilfering of soap, toilet paper and other material from the canteen and inventory. Bought the system and EVERYONE knows about it. There are four immitation cameras and seven real cameras.

In small groups, most of the staff were taken to the control panel and shown the ability of the system.

The cameras only record while there is movement in the screen view, so data storage is not huge.

The image resolution is able to easily read 15mm high font at 100m.

Cameras are directed so that every entrance to the building is in view along with the major walkways. We haven't had any issues since they were installed. Shop floor opinion was "Thank goodness the rotten ones can now be found out so we don't all get blamed."

Morale improved, the pilfering stopped, there has been no more sabotage, all seems good.

If you are going to instal such a system, get GOOD colour cameras. The blurred images that are often published from so called surveilance cameras are (to my mind) a joke.

You ask "is it economical?" The damage that was done in less than an hour before we installed the system would have paid for three complete systems (with all ten real cameras) and still had change left over. Unfortunately, it's like insurance. Can you afford not to?

You might also get a pleasant surprise. You might find that no-one is doing anything wrong and you have a team of wonderful employees who are not taking liberties. Or you might even find that a "helpful" cleaner is removing those scraps off the machinists tables and with a little instruction he will understand the error of his (well intentioned) actions.

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08/07/2008 12:05 PM

There was some sabotage at our plant a few months ago. We had large pumps that were inexplicably kicking out in our effluent pond. They would reset just fine, but but there was a potential for serious safety problems, huge fines, process downtime, and environmental headaches. We could not determine the cause. A lot of money was spent replacing motors and drives. Finally in a "Hail Mary" attempt to determine the problem, cameras were put in to monitor the equipment. Lo and behold, it was a fireman from our plant's fire department shutting off the equipment. He was disguntled because we were laying them off and contracting with an outside company to provide the same service for less. Since then, cameras have been installed at other sensitive areas of the plant.

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08/07/2008 2:50 AM

They're cheap and easy and good insurance not just against theft, but also recording any accidents that might happen. I'd suggest getting CCD over CMOS - better quality and CCD's prices have come down to what CMOS used to cost. Also be careful when you buy a DVR card - they will all say 'Records 30 FPS' but some only record 30fps if there is only 1 camera, and drop down to 7 fps with 4 cams.

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08/07/2008 3:54 AM

First of all is the shop in isolated area(i.e stand alone shop or building) if so the access gate to the site must have a security control unit and monitors

And several camera (ccc)close circuit camera should be installed allround the building tailored to the access gate or door with low loss video cables connected to monitors(or with a video mixer to one camera) and finally a stanby 24/7 security man on the access gate to take records of any iffiltration

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08/07/2008 10:36 AM

The first question is how much is being taken? Or estimated to be taken on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis in $$$. The ROI on such a system is based upon loss vs. system cost. A simple system can run between $2,500 and $10,000 depending on the manufacturer and if you do it yourself or have professionals install it with training. I prefer the latter for 2 reasons. 1) Very few people really understand how to install this type of system (we have more service work from this than any other source) and 2) They can train you on the system and how to review the video and if need be, burn CD/DVDs for later use or prosecution.

Run the numbers & identify what you really want watched. The # of cameras definatley affects the price you pay.

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08/07/2008 4:00 PM

Hi, Bala Pullat!

First of all, installing CCTV after thefts have been noted is not good for employee morale. It makes everyone aware that he/she is a suspect, and causes resentment among those who are innocent of theft.

Secondly, the thief might be somebody in management. It is difficult for an ordinary employee to sneak out enough product to make an important loss difference, even over the course of a year. As a private investigator undercover as a stock worker in an electronics firm, I uncovered two chief managers shipping undamaged goods out to 'repair' locations via an accomplice in transport, who took it to their fence. The same day, the repair and transport records disappeared.

This doesn't mean that CCTV is a bad idea. On the contrary, aside from a competent undercover PI, it's the best weapon available.

Cameras should be pinhole, hidden, and installed without the employees (any of them, including management) knowing of the installation. They should be installed wherever the work is ongoing, and in every department that can steal from the company.

The signal should be routed to an area where the tapes can be reviewed without anyone knowing they even had been made. If anybody is hired to watch them, that person should not be seen by the other employees as someone who 'disappears' during the work day, but rather is around to ostensibly take care of other duties...to avoid suspicion by the bad guys that they might be being watched. That person should also be somebody who is 'tight-lipped'; i.e. never talks about what they are doing in the realm of camera security.

After the thieves have been caught and arrested or fired, the general staff can be informed of the existence of the cameras. Tell them you didn't want them to know about it in advance in case they might be insulted that you thought they were dishonest when all you were doing was trying to catch the thieves.

From then on, make sure that everyone knows there are cameras in the building. Tell them that you don't want to say where they are so that if any NEW employees try dishonest dealings with you, they can be caught instead of hiding away from the cameras. It is enough for everyone to know, after the thieves are caught, that the cameras exist.

Good places for hidden cameras are cracks in ceiling tile, peeping over wall trim, acting as screws in screwed-in installations, through electrical outlets and lamp fixtures, in stairwells and lunch locker areas, over the cash outs, etc. etc.

Bad places are inside washrooms, change rooms, or anywhere else an outcry can be made about invasion of privacy. Just outside the doors of these places isn't too bad, however, since you might see a difference between appearance of people on the way in and on the way out, and what they are carrying.

Don't forget to place them in places where invoices can be faked or destroyed in case your thieves include white-collar criminals.

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Re: CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/09/2008 11:59 PM

Absolutely.

Contract with a plant security professional. Do a covert install and after surveillance has identified the cause announce that are considering installing security devices and then you may have a round-up.

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08/10/2008 9:17 PM

i was in security in the past and found that real cctv is the best route let your people see it installed it keeps them honest prices are low this days get a card for your computer to record and control all available on the internet

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Re: CCTV security for small manufacturers against theft

08/13/2008 6:26 PM

Hi, Bala Pullat!

I'm curious to know which method you employed for installing your CCTV against theft. Let us know and whether it helped catch the perps.

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