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CERN (LHC) on the eve of destruction

09/10/2008 2:23 AM

The preceding link is from "the official site for citizens against the large hadron collider". I thought other CR4 members might be interested in submitting a professional opinion, or posting on the LHC defense blog. My professional opinion is that it is safe to proceed. If you have a contrary opinion please feel free to post it. The beauty of my position is that if I'm wrong no one will ever know.

Seriously however the sensationalism seems to have hit new highs. At least two separate lawsuits have been filed seeking to prevent the operation of the LHC. It seems the lawyers have now figured out a way to make a buck off of science. One of their contentions is that there is no practical application for the knowledge that may be gained in the experiments performed at CERN, hence any risk is unacceptable. They are citing an AOL survey in which 61% of 250,000 participants responded by saying the LHC is not worth the risk.

I doubt the necessity of polling the site to see if scientific experimentation for the acquisition of knowledge that there is no immediate application for is a worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately, if their poll is to be believed 61% of the population does not feel that way. I doubt Bohr or Heisenberg set out to lay the foundation for a transistor at Copenhagen. If the lawyers, the doomsayers and sensationalist media have their way the chances of a return of the dark ages are much greater than being eaten by a miniature black hole.

Just remember what the Monte Python guys say" nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"

PS: I am offering 10 to 1 odds against the planet being destroyed by a miniature black hole in the upcoming year. Any takers?

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Re: CERN (LHC) on the eve of destruction

09/10/2008 2:44 AM

In the news of yesterday a physic was explaining that what LHC will do today is just what nature has done billion times per day so that world will not end...at least for today.

Interesting the rap scientists arranged to explain the experiment and put on the YOUTUBE

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09/10/2008 5:53 AM

After the event, nothing has changed in this part of the Universe apart from a little additional knowledge, perhaps.

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09/10/2008 7:34 AM

Hello YWROADRUNNER

The ensuing black hole faced away from the CERN installation, and unfortunately we have been advised it is pointed right at us, down underneath.

An X-Ray photo taken a few minutes ago is at left - the pictures are rather jerky, under the super-magnetic field of the approaching celestial vacuum cleaner.

We don't know if it will arrive here overnight, and if so, whether we will be able to send a last message.

Perhaps this is it.

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09/10/2008 11:23 PM

Sparkstation are you still there? There is hope. There is sufficient bull excrement on the Internet today about the LHC, if we were to combine that with the ever increasing manure pile generated by our political candidates we may be able to overload the black hole. I understand the strains laws of physics, however I believe there is a dimensional rift at work here, extrapolating from the political discussions today I have determined it is impossible for that much BS to exist in this physical dimension. The miniature black hole is actually a blessing in disguise, elsewise we would soon be up to our neck pseudoscience, politics, and free energy devices. If help arrives too late please attempt to mail me a monopole magnet, I'm missing one for my over unity motor.

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09/11/2008 8:22 AM

yeah, that giant sucking sound isn't jobs going to Mexico any more....

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09/12/2008 12:51 PM

"...don't know if it will arrive here overnight..."

Well, it didn't absolutely, positively have to be there overnight, so no FedEx for you!!!

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09/10/2008 10:15 PM

Well, Canada help build part of the machine, can we join the rest of the World with the celebration with a discovery of a piece of matter that CAN be faster than the speed of light?

Robert.

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09/11/2008 2:13 AM

Hello Mayt2u
I hadn't heard anything about faster than light, and this will be getting too complex for this late at night. However it's a little after 1600 Zulu and the planet still here. I'm interested in is faster than light rumor. If it's faster than light that would mean it's going backwards in time, does that mean it's a white hole and its putting matter back into the universe.

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09/12/2008 12:05 AM

Time only applies to our way of thinking and not to a particle/mass. A particle regardless of where it is still exists. Time is not a dimension, its only something we invented.

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09/12/2008 1:55 AM

So what was time before we walked upright?

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09/10/2008 10:49 PM

Sweet! Yes, come on black hole!! Anything would be better than having to go through another bogus election here in the states.

Maybe, just maybe, if we all pray really hard and get the quantum non-locality effect going we can improve the odds of a black hole from 1:50,000,000 to maybe 1:49,999,999 and finally make some real progress in cleaning up the mess we've made of this earth with Sparky's "cosmic vacuum cleaner".

Bring it on, I'm ready!!

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09/11/2008 1:57 AM

Hello Rcapper:

I'll have to do some checking tomorrow, it's too late tonight, I'm not quite sure that a miniature black hole would necessarily mean lights out (pun intended) as far as I know those particles do not come to a standstill when they collide. I haven't looked up the dimensions but I know a mini black holes a lot smaller than an atom. It is also my understanding they evaporate if they're not fed. So if it's moving fast enough it wouldn't hit much on its way out of Dodge, and then it would either evaporate or become somebody else's problem . It's too late to run the numbers tonight , but I'm curious what its range of attraction is . Any rate it doesn't look like the world's going to end tonight , so I think I'll go to bed and see if the planet is still around in the morning

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09/11/2008 2:05 AM

Well it's pretty much what I expected, just another disappointing day in paradise, no easy exit, looks like were in it for the duration.

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09/10/2008 11:54 PM

Don't worry, LHC will not generate black holes. Black holes are generated when God divides by zero...

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09/11/2008 12:36 AM

It is the Devils Contraption! it will bring about the end of the world! ARMAGEDDON!!!

Or maybe not

Hole in one.

Luckily i am on theother side of the globe when that side explodes. Remember they did only a test if everything works not yet a real test.

I wonder if it will be like the explosion in the Akira anime or it will open a wormhole and the Evil Jellybeans from the nthdimension will invade!

Or the boring part, it will just increase our knowledge of the universe.

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09/11/2008 1:40 AM

Hello EPKE:

Out of curiosity, is the Japanese media as prone to exaggerate the dangers as the Western media. You may well have been on point , science is boring for most. Now a good scary movie like the Day the Earth stood still, our Godzilla will keep the locals attention. So in that aspect the LHC may well be a good investment, not only do we get to increase our knowledge of the universe, but a good sci-fi flick in the meantime.

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09/11/2008 2:39 AM

The japanese are prone to exaggerate the dangers of westerners in their country.

The focus is know on the sumo scandel about russian wrestlers with proof of using a joint. or bad food from foreign countries, while their are many scandals of japanese companies mislabeling food and using lesser/dangerous food components. But national problems are always downplayed in the Japanese Media

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09/11/2008 7:29 AM

Hey, I just read this story in January, but it took place on a mesa in Arizona. Don't worry, someone will save us. In the Douglas Preston book Blasphemy, it was the American Indians and an ex-CIA guy.

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09/11/2008 11:40 AM

"...offering 10 to 1 odds against the planet being destroyed by a miniature black hole in the upcoming year..."

Nah, it'd be too hard to find you to collect if I won...

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09/11/2008 11:57 AM

You weren't supposed to say that. How do you expect me to make any money. People are always investing in get rich quick schemes, over unity motors, magnetic generators. I was hoping someone would take the 10 to 1 odds heck I was even thinking about making it a hundred to one. If you're worried about finding me, I'll give you a post dated check, nah that wouldn't help. But that gives me a great idea for another scam, I mean business. Make a deposit and reserve your miniature black hole, while supplies last, the universes ultimate paper shredder. $10 billion guarantee against identity theft.

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09/11/2008 12:05 PM

I believe it was P.F. Sloan who penned those words back in '65 and sung by Barry McGuire. It's been 40 years plus and we still haven't done it, but there are plenty who still believe the end is near. I guess it's all relative.

Now, an AOL poll of largely ignorant people. That'll sway me for sure.

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And by the way, "Our chief weapon is surprise . . . surprise and fear . . .

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09/11/2008 12:17 PM

I just googled CERN LHC on the eve of destruction we are number one, but you'd be surprised how many other blogs come up under that search. Hopefully the fact that this is reputed to be a website for engineers and scientists (not quite sure what I'm doing on it) and nobody seems to be too concerned will alleviate some concern or at least counter some of the sensationalism, before they start burning our CERN colleagues on stakes for practicing black magic.

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09/11/2008 12:29 PM

If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.

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09/11/2008 12:58 PM

Unfortunately the general public is disinterested in anything to do with science that doesn't hit the mainstream news. If they were to at least watch discovery, they would know that the odds of getting destroyed by an asteroid or,,A gamma burst, Super volcano are in the thousands to one, versus billions to one. The concept that nothing is for certain seems evasive. I cannot even make the statement that I know for sure the sun hasn't exploded, it could have exploded seven minutes ago and be in the "elsewhere" and I'll get the final notification before I push the button to post this comment.

The odds are probably much greater that someday humanity will be able to defend themselves from that asteroid or comet with our name on it , from something that comes out of the research than being destroyed by an accidentally created miniature black hole. Just think of a matter gobbling miniature black hole intentionally being created and shot at oncoming disaster, it would beat the heck out of trying to deflect a meteor or comet with Mylar mirrors. Not saying it's necessarily possible, but I'll bet something useful other than "just" knowledge would eventually come out of the research. While knowledge may be enough for you and me it seems for the masses it isn't.

Unfortunately people are are more likely to behave in a manner illustrated by the Monty Python skits than to use reason.

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin, who made the statement, "human knowledge and human power meet as one, in order to be mastered, nature must first be obeyed"

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09/11/2008 2:58 PM

That is very true. I know many on this forum have lamented the general public's disinterest in anything scientific or technical. There is a mentality that so many things have become too complicated to understand, so why bother to understand any of it?

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09/11/2008 3:52 PM

OK my turn , I am glad to see there is real news out there to muffle the noise of the election. However the way I see, it the rumored results of the LHC or the election will undoubtedly bring about the same results. But I digress and put in my vote for President Palin.

So the total destruction of the earth will not occur for another 8 weeks when the protons they are slinging around actually start crashing in to one another.Then we will all be reduced to goo. I am not to worried about a block hole, I am more concerned where we will be storing all the "dark matter" that will be produced/discovered during the super collider collision. But going on the time travel/ faster than light stuff we will have to refer to the Chris/DEL time -o -ma-tic for there power needs. Perhaps this will enable the patent process to speed up.

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09/11/2008 4:23 PM

Since we're going out that far, do you think possibly we can delay it another couple of weeks. I am dying to see the results of the Maverick and the MILF versus the basketball playing Senator.

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09/12/2008 7:58 AM

I will speak to the powers that be!!!

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09/11/2008 5:11 PM

Hello logix101

<"....I am more concerned where we will be storing all the "dark matter" that will be produced....">

My information is that it is being converted into black paint.

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09/12/2008 7:57 AM

I concur ... that is where they get all that chalk board paint.

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09/12/2008 8:08 AM

NOTE TO ALL LHC OPERATORS : DONT CROSS THE SRTEAMS.

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09/11/2008 8:56 PM

when the main test starts all the politicians of the world should be there.

If the test fails and the politicians gate sucked away, it is an improvement to the world.

if the test succeeds we get more information about the possible unification theory and that will be an improvement to the world.

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