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Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/06/2009 10:42 AM

Hello all.

We use galvanized piping on the seawater side of marine cooling systems to prevent corrosion in salt water environments.

I have been told that galvanized piping in closed circuit cooling systems - such as jacket water and aftercooler - should be avoided. But I cannot find why.

Is it because at higher temperatures, a deposit forms and may clog the heat exchangers?

Any help or experience with this would be appreciated.

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/07/2009 1:13 AM

My specialty is corrosion from electrical sources in marine environments. However since the "corrosion textbooks" rarely address the real world issues we encounter in ships and boats I'll give my take on this topic.

Cut threads remove the protective coating. Therfore you have a location with no protection at which any corrosion will be concentrated. Chances are good you will break of the galvanized pipe right at the edge of a threaded hole. Now you have a real challenge to remove the stub. Most of the cooling systems I have encountered are either fitted for hose barbs or in larger sizes, they have flanged couplings to facilitate removal in situ without having to dismantle the whole system. Your only other choice is to use a lot of unions. More potential leaks in joints etc.

The galvanized pipes I have seen in new condition does not look like it has a consistently thick coat of zinc on the inside. some do not have any zinc on th einside. This may lead to pinhole perforation as a premature failure.

Remember the galvanic table is based on a given temp and velocity of electrolyte ( read sea water). Pumped systems will have consistently faster velocity leading to accelerated corrosion.

The prevalent practice of using screw-in sacrifical zincs has proven to be a longer lasting solution. Easier to inspect and fix when zincs are gone.

Threaded connections should be avoided as being a weak point in the system which is most likely to break first. Flanged connections are welded. You should not weld galvanized pipe; so now you must first fabricate, then galvanize. In which case you might as well just powder coat the fabricated and welde pipe and fittings. Being electrostatic deposition you are more likely to get an even coating all over. Then insert a screw-in pencil zinc.

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/07/2009 9:53 AM

Another point worth noting- what is called "galvanized" today has nothing to do with the original process. "Cold dipped galvanized", with or without threads, has an expected life in seawater of approximately 3 minutes...

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/07/2009 12:00 PM

One reason not to use galvanised pipe in the engin cooling system is the following. Under normal circumstances Zinc is a sacrifical anode and iron is a cathode in galvanized pipe. By forcing iron to be the cathode, it does not corrode so long as there is any zinc left in the galvanized coating. Howerev, at high temperatures, such as might be found in the hot end of an engine cooling cirucit, the electromotive potential of the zinc-iron couple reverses and the iron becomes the anode. The reverse in polarity occures about the boiling point of water.

I actually experienced this while I was the manager of an ammonia plant. The air compressor third stage intercooler intercooler shell had had a corrosion problem for years that caused us to replace the carbon steel shell about every 3-4 years. The intercooler had tower water on the shell side and hot air on the tube side. The hot end ran close to the boiling point of water. We reasoned that galvanising the shell, inside and out would make it impervious to corrosion. Wrong! The corrosion rate could be measured in feet per year not mill per year. The shell corroded from the inside uot in less than 3 months.

It tool a while, but a senior metalurgist and corrosion engineer figured uot what was wrond and demonstrated it in the lab. Corrosion chemistry and the dependence of emf on temperature was the culprit.

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/08/2009 4:57 PM

As far as I know galvanised steel is a bad choice when you deal with seawater.

As explained by the others the Zinc forms product with the salt and as a result the steel gets eaten as quick as possible.

decent engine suppliers (certainly in the marine and sprinkler world) have special trims for seawater environment. Mostly they are in copper alloys.

But in most cases the more expensive bottom plate cooling is choozen due the high corrosion. (those bottom plates are bit to be compared with radiators with a good contact with the steel hull of the boat, could be that they are differently named in English, in duch: Kielkoeling)

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/09/2009 3:09 AM

galvanized CS can be used in seawater but it will corrode (here you can find corrosion rate for Galvanized CS http://www.galvanizeit.org/aga/about-hot-dip-galvanizing/how-long-does-hdg-last/in-water/water-corrosion-data//#seaWater) the problem in hot water is that above approx 60°C you can have what is colled an inversion of potential and ZN became cathodic to CS.

http://www.galvanizeit.org/images/uploads/drGalv/hdgsteel_submerged.pdf

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

10/02/2009 8:56 AM

If galvanized pipe is not the correct material for salt water applications, what is? I have a project requiring about 40 feet of 8" piping underwater at the outlet of the Hudson River, and as an old paper mill guy, I was going to use flanged 316L stainless. Is there something better to use for longevity? What about gasket and bolting materials for salt water applications?

Thanks for any input,

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

10/02/2009 12:38 PM

Have a look at HDPE for salt water applications. I don't know about temperature limits, but I have successfully used this for both potable water and diesel fuel for subsea lines that have lasted for more than 20 years with no leaks. Even crossing the surf zone, no failures.

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Re: Galvanized Pipe and Engine Cooling Systems

02/21/2025 5:32 AM

Well, <...galvanized piping...> is not particularly resistant to corrosion from <...seawater...>. Acceptable materials include naval bronze, glass-reinforced polyester, and most plastics.

Familiarity with the use of a corrosion chart or database would be a big asset, perhaps.

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