Help For Hydrogen: 2002 Ford F-150, V-8

What you are experiencing is akin to the "placebo effect", at first you wanted the idea to work so you changed your driving conditions to give you better fuel mileage. You became complacent on further testing (perhaps accelerated a little harder) and drove more "normally" so that you aren't seeing any benefits.

These hydrogen gimics are a scam and do not provide any benefit.

....... a second possibility is that you more properly tuned/replaced defective sensors and received better mileage from that alone and DID NOT / WILL NOT see any benefit from the hydrogen generator.

Great response! Love it. Puts the whole ridiculous "HHO" scam into perspective.

what about gold plating on the ends of the wires? won't that help?

milo

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But alas the answer is no. The resistance loss in gold is well known and again will lead to a HHO unit seeming to contribute nothing to mileage performance.

However it just so happens that my company also offers a line of low-resistance connection solutions. Utilizing the well-documented effect (we have the data available on special request for a reasonable printing fee) of super-cooling when HHO is passed through a series of proprietary special-shaped precision orifices, we can offer near- superconductive cables - even in the hot temperatures under a hood!

Does that super cooling result from your proprietary application of the joules- Thompson effect? And if so, how did you get the initial high pressure? or is that trade secret?

Inquiring minds WANT TO KNOW!

milo

I can't go into much detail due to pending legal action.

However I can say that as the HHO atoms pass through the orifices, they forever altered in such a way that the heat is pulled from them and into tremendous heat sinks mounted in the trunk of the vehicle.

The heat is then used to create steam to generate electricity. The water for steam is collected by the electrically-driven chilled condenser. However a portion of the steam is diverted to making delicious warm beverages and instant soups for the passengers.

Did I mention that we're also a food service company?

MMM- mmm Good!

milo

"Vapsterinventor", <hmmm> that looks very much like "Vapster inventor". You wouldn't be Gerald Roley would it? "Inventor" of the Vapster fuel vaporising system.

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/VapSter/index.html

And patent,

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F6578532

In any case, see the numerous, numerous previous threads and posts over the years on CR4 regarding the subject of the use of water and internal combustion engines (the partial successes and the countless failures and scams).

Oh dear. I bet he wishes he had never started this thread. Still, it's given us some fun during these rather worrying times.

Does it bother anyone besides me that the google ads posted next to these postings are for HHO kits?=============================================>>>>>>

milo

Unfortunately, you have to block Google Adwords at the individual URL level. As quickly as we ferret out an HHO scam site, two more pop up to take its place.

Thanks for pointing this one out, though. We'll block the URL and bounce them from the rotation.

and thanks for letting this thread continue Chris for the laughs (instead of locking it from the onset)

What you really need to make this work at optimum performance is platinum/rhodium electrodes. Otherwise, your wasting your time. And your in luck, as I have an extra set, I'll let go cheap. Yes, I know 20 large may seem expensive, but they will pay for themselves with in the first 6 months, I promise. You see, they will produce HHHO, at about 80%, and HHHHO, (the real kicker), at about 19%! The extra 1% is the gold that will collect at the bottom of your mason jar. So, with my proven method, you can drive yourself to incredible wealth!

I will humbly admit, I was duped by this fad (not too awfully long ago).

A friend of mine convinced me to build a bunch of test HHO generators. It's really fun stuff (as long as its not going into a automobile), Filling balloons, bags, and just about anything that will hold air, causing very nice explosions. It's also fun to build a water powered (really electrically powered) cutting torch(again, more fun than useful).

When we had built some "high output" units, he began installing them into various vehicles. The first test vehicle was a suburban... I went on a test ride with him, everything seemed to run fine. (I've never put one into my personal vehicles, and now never will). At first, soon after the first experiment was finished road testing, my "buddy" reported some amazing numbers to me, (this friend of mine has always been semi-technical, and mostly trustworthy). I believed him.

This is where I failed... I did not do the experiment myself, and took his "findings" to the bank. For a period of about 2-3 months he had me convinced, and because i had a good deal of trust with him (and very little spare time myself) i failed to second check his experiment. To this day, I'm not sure how it happened, maybe there were other fuel additives at work, maybe the "baseline readings" were skewed, maybe the "findings" were flat out fraudulent. I do know that my "friend" seemed genuinely convinced that what he was telling me was "fact". I don't know what it was, but the wool was definitely over my own eyes.

He is a very convincing guy, when "selling" his "technology". He actually had many people duped by his "great findings". He was able to convince UPS, Snap-On, and a few other companies buy into the scam.(myself included). I suppose I really wanted to believe it could work, despite science/fact. The real "sales pitch" was the small lawnmower engine he had in his shop, which was fitted with a large unit. He was able to run the engine (barely, at idol) apparently with no gasoline. This is a convincing site to see.

In the end, I don't regret playing with the technology, it is quite a fun hobby/"waste of time". What i do regret, is not following through with performing the drive testing myself, and believing what i saw, and what was reported to me as a "finding".

I was more into the unit design, and electronics, and was too reluctant to put one in my own vehicle, (phew, that was close). All in all, I have learned the hard way that HHO is a scam, I will Admit it, I was a fool, and even promoted HHO for a brief period, boy do i feel stupid now.

My apologies for promoting such a scam on CR4 in the past.