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What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/09/2009 4:57 AM

What would happen if the speed of light suddenly decreases to a 1-2 meters/sec or feets/sec? How would our eyes percieve surrounding objects?

For eg. im looking at a photo 20 feets away from me and the speed of light is 1 ft/sec, how would i see the photo? after 20 seconds have passed? in slow motion??

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03/09/2009 6:41 AM

Photos don't have motion...so 'slo mo' isn't relevant.
Anything moving faster than 1-2m/s will suffer a huge delay in being observed.
Thus we would need to move very slowly and carefully or rely on feel. Driving would be impossible.
Back to you photo...you would have no trouble seeing it, but only a few seconds after it was placed in front of you.
Head/eye movement may be problematic.

Fortunately, Bill Gates could capitalise on it by making an even slower OS
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03/09/2009 7:07 AM

More problem with brain.

With the speed of light decreased, the lights on the rods and cone from the same object will reach at different times (ane same thing will happen with the nerve signals and the processing inside brain)

So you are never going to see what is infront of you.

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03/09/2009 7:19 AM

Never mind that photo, didn't you see that red light you just ran?

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03/09/2009 9:44 AM

Anyway the cop will never catch me, I am faster than light. .

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03/09/2009 9:50 AM

You might end up kissing the wrong place if your lady friend were to move too quickly!

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03/09/2009 2:01 PM

Her smell, her voice would never reach you at the right time either. I suppose you could still feel her.

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03/09/2009 2:13 PM

C'mon...the lights were off anyway

Ah, that's a good point...how weird would it look when you turned a light on or off !!!.
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03/09/2009 8:09 PM

This would give new meaning to "turn off the lights, the party's over.

The party would have been over for decades.

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03/10/2009 4:10 AM

Sorry to lower the tone!

OK. So there's three blokes in a bar, philosophising as blokes do, and, one of them says "What do you reckon the fastest thing on earth is?".

The second guy says "Well, it's got to be electricity hasn't it. I mean when you flick the switch even in a huge hall the light at the other end comes on instantly".

The first guy says "I don't know. I reckon it's thought: you can be sitting still doing nothing, and, if someone bursts a balloon behind you; your head is instantly filled with hundreds of ideas about what the heck it was".

The two guys argue for a while, and, eventually turn to the third guy to ask him what he thinks: "I reckon it's got to be diarrhoea".

The other two together "How on earth do you make that out?".

"Well: I had the sh*ts last night, and, I didn't have the time to think or put the light on."

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03/10/2009 12:04 AM

All the feelings will come long afterwards evrything is over . Nerve signals will also travel slowly (another Electromagnetic signal).

As you put a job on a machine you see as the tool was 10 sec earlier and you get your fingers cut off, but you get the pain and the view after 10 sec (by that time you are bloodless) and by the time your shout reaches other, and he looks at you it is another 30 sec, then he calls ambulance - (the telephone reaches in 3 minutes to hospital - assuming it is near by), ambulance reaches place of accident in 2 minutes (it is not usually limited by speed of light, but may have lot of dents around , bumping on and off unseen objects) - picks your lifeless body (blood flow is not limited by speed of light) ...

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03/10/2009 12:11 AM

"All the feelings will come long afterwards evrything is over"

OK

You are right.

Let's keep it at 186,282 miles per second.

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03/10/2009 12:18 AM

That sounds just like working with Microsoft Windoze...

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03/14/2009 7:57 PM

Hi, charsley99!

There's a wrong place?

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04/20/2009 8:10 PM

What wrong place is there?

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03/09/2009 10:59 AM

It would be possible to see what Einstein had in mind.(moving alongside of light).

The effect of gravity on light will be much much higher. You may have the effect of light orbiting earth and see yourselves in the distance.

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03/09/2009 10:45 PM

There's an old SF story called "The Light Of Other Days" which you will find interesting.

talks about "Slow Glass" really fascinating.. only a 10 minute read.

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03/09/2009 11:51 PM

Nice read. GA for the story.

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03/10/2009 4:33 AM

Hi, chrisq288!

Great read. Thanks.

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03/10/2009 10:27 AM

Here is something of interest, When Hydrogen is converted to a super fluid a beam of light passing through it is slowed down considerably.

This is the new frontier of quantum mechanics which has all sorts of strange effects it is very interesting.

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03/09/2009 10:58 PM

See if you can find Jorrie. It's up his alley.

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03/09/2009 11:59 PM

The end of the universe as we know it! and as "nothing" can go faster than light then cars could not go faster then 3.6-7.2km/hour.

As Del said the picture is static so as long as nothing moves it would not be a problem but as soon as something moves, i guess dizziness and motion sickness.

not to speak that our whole biological system would go haywire

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03/10/2009 4:17 AM

Hi, rizwan!

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03/10/2009 8:11 AM

Funny questions get funny answers

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03/10/2009 8:49 AM

My digital camera and webcam do this! Viewing the world through a slow updating image will give a fair idea of the human problems created. Though that does not simulate the fact that items further away would be more delayed.

A sudden change in the speed of light would undoubtedly create a lot of problems - dizzyness etc. - but if it had always been like that then evolution would ensure our systems were matched to it.

Interesting item on radio news yesterday about a UK military development of 2 back-to-back sensors with 180 degree fisheye lenses, creating a ball shaped object with complete 360 degrees coverage. The plan is to throw it into hazardous areas, such as hostage situations, and use software to knit together sensible images from the data gathered while it is in flight, and not particularly worry about what it can see after it comes to rest. The reporter noted the moving image was beyond human comprehension, but once the software worked on it the disposition of people and objects in the room was clear.

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03/10/2009 11:37 AM

Wow , this question has enough ambiguity and uncertainty that I thought that it was a challenge question. To attempt an answer several assumptions must be made. Depending on the assumption, different results will occur.

1. Only the speed of of photons suddenly get reduced. All speed of other physical phenomena remain the same.

Then if the observer remains perfectly motionless, the image perceived on the retina would suddenly go dark. For the flux rate impacting the retina would suddenly drop many orders of magnitude below the sensitivity of the retina previously use to many more photons per second. Moving towards the image will capture more photons per second but still well below the threshold. All irises will suddenly open but to no avail, darkness will dominate.

The world's food supply will suddenly become finite and limited as all manner of beasts stumble in the dark.

The heat and energy residing in our sun will no longer dissipate at the previous rate. Higher pressures will suddenly occur inside the sun. (Presumably this is a universal change and not a local change.) Calculations beyond the scope of this forum will need to be done to determine if the resulting shockwave causes Helium and other heavy elements in the sun to fuse possibly casing a super nova or if the unbalanced higher internal solar pressures just cause a rapid expansion of the sun.

2. All physical phenomena dependent on the speed of light also scale with this precipitous change.

My initial guess would be that nothing would be perceived to have happened. For all of the chemical reactions in the retina that convert photons to electrochemical signals will have a scaled reduction. Our perception of time will now move at the new time scale. Our ability to move in space will scale down similarly so no difference will be perceived.

3. Some physical phenomena change at a non-linear scale as the speed of light changes.

Anything could happen depending on which physical phenomena do scale and which don't.

So for my final answer to the question, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" I say "As many as want to dance on the head of a pin."

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03/10/2009 12:11 PM

A few years ago I had the opportunity to visit a facility in Kanata Ontario (part of Ottawa) where they manufacture nuclear medical products, and as such, they keep their source materials in a 40 foot deep pool of water. (which comes from Chalk River ON)..

Anyway, it only looks to be 10 feet deep, due to the diffraction.. and there is what appears to be paint cans full of stuff in the bottom all glowing a fabulous blue color. This is Cerenkov Radiation, and it is a result of the emitted particles moving 'faster than light' in water. What this really means is that light slows down in water, while the particles are not affected initially.. when they do become aware of the water, they are absorbed and give up their energy as a specific frequency of light.. (which is also red shifted)... completely fascinating.

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03/10/2009 12:21 PM

What this really means is that light slows down in water..

Yeah, it slows down even more in wood .
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03/12/2009 8:45 AM

I have just realised thet the speed of light is very slow.

Assume You are hit by a bullet, do you see the bullet ? no so the speed of light is slower than the bullet. have you seen it, you would have done an evasive action (reflexes you know )

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03/12/2009 5:53 PM

Hi, sb!

Don't blame the speed of light's inability to detect certain things on light. Blame it on the eye's detection mechanisms and the brain's rational interpretive facilities: congnizance, pattern recognition, motion retention, blah blah blah.

We can't hear a bullet either, but in this case, it is because it travels faster than the speed of sound, so by the time we could have heard it, we'd be dead. (One reason why gun hunting is more humane than any other kind of hunting...one moment the game animal is prancing around in the forest enjoying its life; and the next instant, it's meat for the table. Never knew what happened to it.)

But if we hear gunfire, and the bullets don't hit us, we can drop to the ground almost the instant we hear them, and thus (hopefully) avoid them; so long as we aren't preoccupied in our minds with something else.

However, if the speed of light were slowed down, might the bullet also be slowed down? The expansion of gases in the bullet might be slower.

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03/13/2009 9:04 AM

SB,

Elegant use of deliberately faulty logic. Unfortunately, some tradesmen just cannot grasp the force of sarcasm.

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03/13/2009 1:53 PM

OMG! Y'mean he was jest bein' sarcastict???

Oh well, ne'mind. It gived me the chancet to expound upon huntin' at least.

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03/11/2009 1:11 PM

All of the above speculation results from the concept of a suddenly occurring phenomena that results in the aforementioned decrease in the speed of light, a condition we have not evolved compensation for--as a chimp who fully accepts evolution (and desperately seeks to evolve as quickly as possible, that I might woo the lovely Jane from that neanderthal Tarzan) I propose that, in fact, just such slowing has occurred and will continue to occur as the universe slows and we all eventually evolve to become Fe molecules

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03/14/2009 3:46 PM

It's a nonsense question amenable only to nonsense answers, see?

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03/14/2009 4:48 PM

Hi Guest!

Or, it's a question designed to stretch your brain by opening it up to new possibilites.

Take your pick.

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03/14/2009 7:16 PM

If the speed of light is constant in whatever universe you live in, then all is the same.

Say the Satellite gets sucked into a Wormhole and ends up in another universe, intact. This is not likely, but once it did, then that would mean viewer and photo were in the same light, and same constant of the process, so that there would be no difference, and it would be the same difference, only working on a different constant, different from the constant that regulates what we know.

I am interested in Jorries opinion on this subject.

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Excellent, that's the kind of "brain opening" I was attemting to allude to.

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03/15/2009 1:13 PM

One day Superman was flying along, feelign kind of horny. He had a busy day ahead of him, but just had to satisfy his urge. So he decided he would fly over to Wonder Woman's house to see what she was doing. As he got closer he used his x-ray vision and, to his surprise, Wonder Woman was lying her bed totally nude. Superman thought, "This is great!, I'll just zip right in there and before she knows it, I'll be gone." So Superman blasts in, right on top of Wonder Woman, does the deed at light speed, and is gone in a flash. Wonder Woman, not quite knowing what hit her said, "Jesus H Christ! What was that? and the invisible man replied: "I don't know, but my arse is sure sore!"

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03/15/2009 3:03 PM

Thanks for that, it made my wife laugh.

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03/16/2009 1:18 AM

Your slow lightspeed reminds of: "Slow glass is a fictional material in Bob Shaw's short story "Light of other days" (Analog, 1966), and several subsequent stories. The glass, which delays the passage of light by years or decades, is used to construct windows, called scenedows, that enable city dwellers, submariners and prisoners to watch "live" countryside scenes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light

In order to do that, one simply needs to pop the photons off into some other (extra) dimension, make them go in circles there before returning to our world. According to the story, things would look quite normal through this glass and it makes sense, provided the medium is completely uniform (or very thin or you look through it at a normal angle). Could be quite interesting if it is thick and you look through it obliquely.

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03/16/2009 8:11 AM

Hmmmm.. Clumsily combining this thread with this weeks challenge question, I decided to work out how much heavier the 4' square piece of glass would be after exposure to 10 years worth of Scottish weather (thinking that it would make walking back to the car with the window impractical). It worked out at less than one trillionth of a kilogram.

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03/16/2009 11:58 AM

Hi, Jorrie!

Good to see you. You're a rarity anymore in the posts I've been reading lately.

The slow glass story was previously recommended by Chrisq288 as well.

What's your take on the OP's question? Aso, on the point raised by Transcendian re beginning in a place where light normally travels at a different speed?

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Re: What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/16/2009 2:44 PM

The slow glass story was quite nice. Well written and very entertaining. Thank You Chrissq288 and Jorrie for pointing this story out. But the slow glass phenomena is not exactly what the OP asked. The OP states that the speed of light slows to a meter per second, but not for a specific media.

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Re: What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/16/2009 2:46 PM

Hi Mark. I think the issue is that if you change only the speed of light, while all other constants of nature remain the same, the universe as we know it could not exist. For one thing, many equations have a c2 above or below the line. With a 10-9 times change in c, can you think about the consequences?

If one ignore such nasty complications and ask rizwan's question: "How would our eyes percieve surrounding objects?", I think you would have seen nothing differently.

If all other constants chanced in step with c, I think it would have boiled down to a simple change in units, with no consequences at all, as Transcendian has implied.

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Re: What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/16/2009 1:53 AM

Weird events have taken place. I tried to rate Jorries answer, but all attempts ended up in a complaint, report box.

I was forced to return to the beginning.

Dragged Jorrie into it.

He and Chisg288 refer to the same story.

I tried to read the story but was more interested in John Galt.

Then I thought about the BlackHoleFlashlight, and the Death Defeating Camera with the Plasma Ether Lens.

After that I thought it was time to go to bed.

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Re: What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/16/2009 3:03 AM

My answer is our meter scale will shrink by 50% and we will be not able to see if speed is deceased or not, as measuring standard is of half length.

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Re: What if the Speed of Light Decreased?

03/24/2009 1:11 PM

I was just wondering, if the scientists have created or intend to create a special test room where the speed of light can be controlled to really small values, so that humans can experience what it would be like at really slow light speeds??

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03/24/2009 2:25 PM

That's a clever question....dealing with light transmission as opposed to innate light velocity as part of a universe. Would there be some light transmission speed at which...?...opaqueness results? Jorrie?

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