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Coolant Leak from CNC Lathe

03/18/2009 1:11 AM

Pls help me to slove this problem,My CNC Late machine (3Meter long)the coolant keep leaking out from the metal joint ,I keep useing the silicon to seal it but after 2-3 day the coolant start to leak out again is there any solution to stop it.

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Re: Coolantleak out from machine

03/18/2009 3:19 AM

Your seal is worn. Replace it.

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03/18/2009 3:35 AM

DVader1000 thk, It leak out from the machine body to the floor area. it need a good silicon to withstand the coolant and the chip.

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03/18/2009 4:04 AM

Hello,

Test a bead of silicon in a glass of coolant by spreading a bead of the sealant on the inside surface of a clean glass and then pour coolant into it and put a cap on it. A few days will show if it is compatible with the coolant. Even after you are convinced you have the right sealant, keep you test running for a few weeks.

I know coolant with eat through black garbage bags and probably through the type of silicone sealant that you have used. Keep going until you find a suitable sealant.

Thoroughly clean the machine, removing all coolant from the surfaces and then use the sealant that works from your experiment. If it is a joint between two fastened panels then you may be able to use a fiber gasket instead. Good Luck

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03/18/2009 4:18 AM

Silicone Sealants like GE RTV 732 or 736 or Dow Conrnigs are excellent sealants for this purpose (and even worse conditions) but they can not be used as dams. These are gasket sealants and usually may be able to handle 3mm or so gaps.

You may have to open the panel joints, clean dry and degrease, then apply a generous bead of the sealant on the land between the panel screws and coolant side (the other side is optional) and screw in quickly, The sealnant will start curing within some 5-10 minutes and before that while it is still jelly the joint must be fastened.

This is used in our machines (lathe, HB, VTLs) regularly.

However when we try to use it for dam purpose (ie apply on the joint without opening it) it behaves like you say and we use it for temporary purpose, before the machine can be habded over to us for at least a few hours.

For the dam purpose (though we have not tried) two component epoxy putties may work ( I use them in kitchens for dripping water and it stays for months to years depending on the abuse level). I don't know at your country what is available, check up, but it will come out to be may be a fraction costlier and also the hardened putty will have additional problem, they may not like vibrations. may just try out in a small area only if you don't want to open the screws.

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03/18/2009 4:34 AM

sb,thk i don't know whether i can get the sealants in singapore but anyway thk for you help i will try the method you mention if success i will let you know bye.

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03/18/2009 6:41 AM

Hello,

Looks like we were on the same track, by the way you have a good answer. I see your knowledgeable answers frequently. It is a reason why this site is sooo! good. Best regards

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03/18/2009 8:53 AM

I head the manufacturing-assembly portion of a quite large shop as well as the maintenance dept.

The machine shop is out of bounds but again I have to maintain those machines . And earlier I was heading the Quality Control of the same area. So automatically machining, assembly and maintenance jacks are there (no masters though thtas why most of my posts are on working basis.)

So the knowledge comes by experience and experiments .

The Silicones RTV is definitely available in singapore check up. Go to the site of Dow and check your singapore agent.

Googled, this is your site

http://www.dow.com/facilities/asiapac/singa.htm

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03/19/2009 1:04 AM

Sb thk,you are very detail even on the supplier

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03/19/2009 1:47 AM

GA sb. Sometimes you may want the silicone to skin over before assembly as a gasket. Especially if you may need to disassemble at some time.

To get epoxy to stick as a fillet, start clean and dry of course, apply a very thin coat at first. Use emery cloth to grind it into the surface. This produces fresh metal to the epoxy. Wipe it off with a dry cloth or paper towel, then immediately apply a thickend mixture (add colloidal silica or talc) and shape the fillet with a tounge depressor. A plastic freezer bag w/ a corner cut out makes a good applicator.

The other thing to try is 'Marine Goop' trademark really sticky stuff that will streach from here to Baltimore when dry, and never hardens competely. Lumber companies carry a similar Thiakol based caulk in clear tubes that also dries clear. I think that stuff is the best bet, but test for compatibility w/ whatever liquid first.

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03/19/2009 2:17 AM

Infact some times what we do is just stick a wax paper (in fact it is not exactly waxed, it is some graphited asbestos approx 0.2 to 0.3mm thick i know it is banned ) on the other surface (cut to profile and holes made) with some oil or grease (just to retain in place) and then bring in the RTVed flange on it.

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03/19/2009 5:19 AM

GA from me.

If I had to pick one word that is the most important word in your post it would be "degreasing"......I think our OP has simply put sealer on the leak with no preparation....

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03/19/2009 5:27 AM

What sealer is that can it withstand coolant and hot metal chip.

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03/19/2009 6:57 AM

This is a bit problem .

Hot metal chip temperature almost no sealant can take (if dry)

However since it is going to be in panel, the exposeure to hot chips will not be direct (through the metal walls). Also with the coolant in, the temperature may not rise that much.

check RTV 732 upto about 200 deg C

http://www.4pcorporation.com/Silastic_732.asp

RTV 736 upto about 260 deg C, intermittent 300 deg C or so,

(check on the above page)

You have Motorsil D also (upto 300 deg C) but gap filling capacity is low.

We use some other one in turbine parting planes and can work upto 1000 deg C. But that is with very small gap filling capacity and may not be useful for this purpose.

In fact in our cases, RTV 736 is the best one. RTV 732 also is OK.

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03/19/2009 10:57 AM

Black Silicone Engine Sealant. Aval. auto parts stores. Sez up to 400 deg. F

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03/18/2009 7:14 AM

Take it apart and fix it right!

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03/19/2009 8:44 AM

Have you Tried welding it?

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03/19/2009 10:06 AM

If I am not wrong OP has leakage between the sheet metal (housings, panels etc) and the main machine body.

These machines are housed inside some 2-3mm sheet metal with view glass etc. Usually this joint leaks.

In fact in one of our new machines, there was a leakage. We opened and closed eith the RTV 736. And for last 3-4 months no further attendance was necessary.

The worst part is due to the bad designed of the un-named machine manufacturer, this collant through one place was finding its way into the hydraulic oil. Forcing us to change the oil twice in last one year

BTW- in most of the cases the area wherer it is fixed is cast Iron.

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Re: Coolant Leak from CNC Lathe

03/19/2009 10:41 AM

I have done two things. First, I used puddy to create a dam, which is what I would not recommend. After removing this puddy, a mold-like residue was left behind. After cleaning that off, I used RTV 6700 silicone rubber adhesive sealant. This worked fine, and is still working. I have not had any problems since I used this in August 2008.

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