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Welding Stainless Steel to Carbon Steel

04/02/2009 4:20 AM

I want to know about the details of Alloy309 and why it is used as a filler material while welding stainless steel with carbon steel?

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04/02/2009 10:46 AM

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Re: Welding Stainless Steel to Carbon Steel

04/03/2009 11:40 AM

To put it simply, nickel bearing and cheap. Nickel is sticky and ductile, making it of great value in adhering to and asorbing stresses from dissimilar joinings. This alloy is also pretty cheap. It's stronger than 308L, and doesn't tend to work harden like 312.

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Re: Welding Stainless Steel to Carbon Steel

04/03/2009 1:32 PM

The ER309 filler metal has more carbon in it than other stainless and it is as a better transition between the 2 dissimilar metals. This will avoid allot of cracking problems that could be caused from stresses created by the different expansions of the 2 metals. I have seen a few times where 304 stainless tanks were welded completely with 309 but I have never quite understood the thinking behind this and it is wrong IMO. Another thing to note is when welding stainless to certain chrome molly alloys the 309 will not be strong enough and a inconel filler metal such as ER InCrFe-3, is required . An example would be on boiler high heat/pressure lines when installing 316 thermo wells into p22 superheated main steam piping.

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Re: Welding Stainless Steel to Carbon Steel

04/09/2009 1:01 AM

I am not clear on point as per you why we should not use 309 for welding of 304 or 316. What about welding stainless steel with other materials like CS , LTCS , LOW ALLOY?

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04/09/2009 2:34 AM

309 is used in welding SS to CS to avoid problem of dilution and formation of martensite and to achieve a correct ferrite number. When you weld SS to CS there is a dilution of element of SS ( CR, Ni..) and this cause the formation of hard brittle phase. the other thing is the ferrite number in order to avoid problem of cracking in the weld. The 309 has an higher content of Cr (22%), Ni (up to 15%) vs 304 and 316 (Cr 18% and Ni 10%) and the effect of dilution is reduced. To understand what happened you need to look a the WRC diagram.

have a look at this papers from NIDI:

Welding Guidelines (14018)

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04/10/2009 12:46 AM

I heard from somebody that although 304 carries the required properties to be used as a filler metal but since it is available only in plate material form and not in wire form , so it cant be used as a filler rod. Is it true ??

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04/10/2009 9:23 AM

For 304 material you would use a ER-308 flieer metal.

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