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Again, the U.S. Auto Industry Tries to Save Itself with Poorly-Conceived Ideas

04/14/2009 4:10 PM

Faltering auto giant GM today announced it will be working with the manufacturer of the Segway to make an odd "self balancing two-wheeled vehicle" called PUMA. The advance pictures show something like a giant Segway on which you sit rather than stand. Visitors to the New York Auto Show this week will be able to see the real thing, and you can see a video of a prototype below.

Information released so far says it will be capable of up to 35mph (56km/h), travelling 35 miles between charges from the mains and will "represent a unique solution to moving about and interacting in cities, where more than half of the world's people live," according to Larry Burns, GM vice president of research. Future versions may even carry more than four passengers.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/04/can-an-electric-wheelchair-sav.html#more

That's exactly what people want, an ugly giant two seater Segway with a 35 mile range that doesn't fit on the sidewalk or bicycle lane.

My question is, what do GM (and other car companies) think they are doing wasting more money on stuff like this? Have they totally lost touch with reality? Give the people what they want, not some poorly conceived embarrassing design that the market doesn't want (but sounded good after a few drinks during a management boardroom meeting). This also comes hot on the heals of Ford's Induction sound tube to make the car sound louder by feeding exhaust noise into the passenger compartment.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/8314#newcomments

Even if the American market DID want a vehicle such as this, the Japanese are light years ahead with designs such as the i-swing for example, making the PUMA look embarrassingly dated (and a lot like a motorised garbage skip with training wheels).

http://feverishthoughts.com/webdesign/2007/06/11/toyota-displays-new-single-seat-vehicle/

<SIGH> A feel another multi billion dollar auto industry bailout paid for by the average American citizen coming on.

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Re: Again, the U.S. Auto Industry Tries to Save Itself with Poorly-Conceived Ideas

04/14/2009 5:58 PM

Appears to be more of a toy than a viable mode of transportation. (in my mind)

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04/14/2009 8:10 PM

This is likely what GM sees their new owners wanting them to build. You're likely to see a lot of things no one wants coming out of gov't-owned Detroit over the next few years.

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04/14/2009 10:57 PM

More likely they want to irritate us into demanding the big gas guzzlers again. It's called the engineering of consent.

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04/14/2009 9:20 PM

As I said in another comment forum the other day:

This two-seat monstrosity presents a quandary. How do you find someone you dislike enough that you don't mind them sharing the shame of being seen riding in it but who you also like enough to put up with for the duration of a long 35mph trip?

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04/14/2009 11:21 PM

It's ugly but appearances can be improved. However, I think it's something that's ahead or out of this time.

I wouldn't want to ride in something like that in the presence of fast moving cars and trucks. The only advantage it has is that it increases the chance that you'll be instantly killed instead of going though a slow agonizing death.

I can see this being viable if all our cities are car/truck free. We park our cars outside the city and take the little single seaters into the city to our place of work. There will be no other vehicles except for these things.

Larger vehicles (such as delivery vans, buses) use a special lane and are speed limited so any encounter with their little brothers will result in a slow agonizing death instead of instant death.

In short, no, I don't think it's a good idea.

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04/15/2009 12:16 AM

seems like another money sink to me, here's a strange idea? how about making affordable reliable efficient cars?

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04/15/2009 12:19 AM

I doubt it's as embarrassingly stupid as adapting the HumVee for civilian use.

There are lots of people in the world (and even the US) who walk, ride push-bikes, ride step-thru motor bikes or drive small two door cars every day. This sort of thing could be a winner, the only way to really know is to build prototypes, iron out the bugs and and gauge the reactions.

Besides trying new ideas is never a waste, even if you don't get a viable product, you'll at least develop some valuable expertise for the next project. Oh yes, it also employs lots of deserving engineers

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04/15/2009 6:24 AM

How can an idea be "poorly conceived"? The point of displaying the little prototype is to evaluate the possible implementations of (and the eventual market for) an idea. Such testing of different conceptions is just what GM has for so long avoided doing...to its own diminishment!

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04/15/2009 8:55 AM

I suspect this uses Segway's software and computer controls to keep it upright. The flaw is when there is a control issue it just tips over at 35MPH in front of traffic. Even if this is a rare occurrence it is to often. A more stable platform could be used but it wouldn't look as hip. Remember the incidents, and recalls, when the Segways would loose its brains ,and balance, and plant the operators face into the concrete ? I think this car(?) would do the same thing. I wish GM would use their (our?) money for more practical prototypes. This inherent flaw makes this device a no starter!

I bet GM is fully aware of this fatal design flaw but is just grandstanding to look progressive. A lot of taxpayers dollars on the table don't ya know.

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04/21/2009 4:50 PM

Why the hell GM does not get this money and invest in the very promissing project of the Volt? This is a good idea that people is willing to see soon!

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