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AC Motor to generater

04/21/2009 5:57 AM

Hi there . I am currently testing out some theories that you advanced learners have posted, and amoungst them all is one very mind puzzeler ! Im trying to create ac volts from a normal electric motor . But all i get is a very cold motor meaning there is not even a volt coming out from it . I joined up some run in caps but even spinning the motor to just above its rpm rating i get zilch volts . Can some one please tell me what im doing wrong and please help me .

And then what motor is best for this , 3 phase or singel ?

Contact me at my email : vnske@hotmail.com .

regards and keep up with the good work .'

Vinc.

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04/21/2009 6:00 AM

What is it that creates the magnetic field within which the coil rotates to generate electricity (think about it)?

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04/21/2009 11:06 AM

Suggest you go to 'How things work". You can not take just any motor and spin it and expect a voltage output.

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04/21/2009 11:40 AM

....except a permanent magnet DC motor.

Quite.

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04/21/2009 3:16 PM

Or a compound motor. Some are designed to run on AC or DC, and by providing the field with rated current, at rated RPM or a little higher, one should get rated voltage at brushes.

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04/21/2009 11:13 PM

When I was starting hydro plants back in the early 1980's a consultant had ordered up a dummy load for testing a 1MW induction generator, the power line to the plant hadn't been finished yet.

I started a 70kW, and three 1MW induction generator hydro plants and about a dozen synchronous plants.

Yes, you do need a power line for excitiation of an induction generator, then close the breaker as the prime mover speed is about 60.5 Hz and the induction motor will begin to produce kW as the input power to the motor is increased, the slip angle inside the motor changes as the input power is increased. You don't synchronize to the grid, you just close the breaker at 60.5 Hz and load it up. Induction generators are happiest / most efficient at full load.

If the operating power factor of the line is too low, then add capacitors to increase the excitiation of the induction generator. May add the cap's after the gen has 50% load. On one 1MW unit I have also seen inductors (may have been resistors) in line with the motor to limit inrush, the inductors/resistors were shorted by another breaker at about 50% load to put the motor solid to the line and then the other breaker opened so there was only one breaker for shutdown.

The excitiation current when the breaker closes is over 5 times normal load current, so a stiff power line is good to have, being near a substation with capacitiors helps.

Determining the 60.5 Hz speed is done with a proximity probe usually, you will also need to use this to trip the breaker if the utility voltage is lost, the prime mover should wander in speed high (61 Hz)/low(59.5 Hz). A loss of voltage bracketing relay. The reverse current relay may need to be "timed in" to allow the inrush of magnetizing current to clear before the relay can sense the real operating current values.

Ramping down the load the speed control opens the breaker at about 60Hz to 59.5 Hz as shutdown is as quick as possible.

As you know an induction generator should not be run at part load due to inefficiency, if you want a variable load generator use a synchronous generator.

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04/22/2009 3:49 AM

Induction generators of the type you are working on will not give any output unless there is some residual magnetism in the core over which the stator is wound. Looks like the core is completely demagnetised. You may connect a 12v car battery through a switch to the stator windings and give a few impulses of current. There is every likelihood that the motor will start generating after this.

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04/22/2009 5:50 AM

There are web sites that show how this can be done, but you need a lot of knowledge of electricity, just to keep from killing yourself!

If you have that knowledge, then Google the infos you need. I found the following links with one search:-

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_motor_convert.html

http://keelynet.com/interact/archive/00001937.htm

http://users.telenet.be/b0y/

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/7.html

You need to run the motor up to speed as a motor and then drive it faster with another motor, it will then generate. The switching equipment needs to be properly designed to achieve this.....

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04/22/2009 6:26 AM

On top of flashing the motor to insure that there is some residual magnetism in the rotor, remember that induction motors rely on slip to operate. Notice that while a two pole motor should theoretically turn at 3600 rpm (at 60Hz) in reality every induction motor out there actually spins at 3450 rpm. This is due to the rotating magnetic field in the motor(slip). It also works in reverse, you must spin the motor faster than its synchronous rpm (for a 3450 RPM motor, around 3756 rpm) in order for it to generate.

Her is another good page about how to do this: http://www.qsl.net/ns8o/Induction_Generator.html

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04/22/2009 12:33 PM

IanR,

You are correct when relating the output frequency to 60 Hz (3750) i.e. you connect it to a 60 Hz grid. When you spin the same motor at 3450, your output would be at 55 Hz for stand-alone operation; grid connected (60 Hz) it would run as a motor.

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04/22/2009 1:34 PM

If your interested, while your at NS8O's site scroll down to the bottom of the page and return to his main menu. He has done many experiments making generators out of junk. It's an interesting read, at the least.

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04/22/2009 8:26 PM

I think I may have suggested in earlier discussions simply spinning a motor would produce electricity . I thank the above posters for providing the exact method for pulling that off, I remembered it could be done but apparently neglected the need for the field in that discussion I will check out those sights provided and copy and save that info for future reference. Thanks for taking the time to provide those vital links.I hope the original poster is successful .

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