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Inward Nozzle

06/01/2009 9:56 PM

Dear all..

What are the considerations to choose inward nozzle (nozzle extends inside the vessel wall) than common nozzle (nozzle not extends inside the vessel wall). Does the shape of vessel wall influence the type of nozzle (inward or not inward)?

You may see the pictures below for more detail.

As you see in the pictures below, the inward nozzle (left picture) is attached on curve-shaped vessel and the non-inward nozzle (right) is on flat-shaped vessel.

(pictures are taken from ASME VIII-1 2007)

Need your answer about these two nozzles.

Thanks..

PS: My vessel is Propane vessel.

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Re: Inward Nozzle

06/01/2009 11:32 PM

Set-Through

  • Advantages
    • Allowed reinforcement credit for the full thickness of the internal portion (minus corrosion allowance) because this area does not need to withstand pressure. Can often do away with re-pad because of this.
    • Makes for a great termination detail on linings, particularly brick.
    • In abrasive service provides a nice "wear" corner so that you don't erode away the inside corner weld
    • Where ancillary parts are required, such as vortex breakers, screens, etc, provides a nice convenient structure to weld to
    • Can provide a gasket surface for an internal, reverse manway cover/door
    • On a bottom section of shell can provide a "stop" for any foreign objects from entering the nozzle
    • Easier to fit (doesn't require trimming) - especially on a double curvature wall (sphere, head, etc..)
    • Eliminates the risk of lamellar tearing of the shell wall
  • Disadvantages
    • Can interfere with good flow characteristics/extra pressure drop
    • Need access to the inside to complete weld
    • If full penetration weld is required - adds to welding time/cost (depends on details) - may add post-weld heat treatment requirement
    • Build-up against the wall of nozzle (silt, sludge, etc.) can create an under deposit corrosion issue
    • Probably not even worth mentioning, but can be a little more painful to set right as the nozzle can fall through the hole

Set-in/on

  • Pretty well the exact opposite as above

NOTE: that the second picture isn't necessarily a flat vessel, rather a longitudinal cross-section of a cylinder - in which case the fitting for set-on/in needs to only be done for a single curvature, and not a double plane like a sphere or head.

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Re: Inward Nozzle

06/01/2009 11:53 PM

Wow..

Thanks Mr. Xmech.. GA for you!

Anyways, does the inward nozzle affect excess flow valve? If we used vortex breaker how do we install it on the inward nozzle surface?

Thank you..

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Re: Inward Nozzle

06/02/2009 12:58 AM

I do not see how this would have any effect on an excess flow valve.

The set-through design is not required for a vortex breaker, but may instead be convenient if desired for other purposes. There are many different styles/designs of vortex breakers, for example (one of many):

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Re: Inward Nozzle

06/02/2009 3:21 AM

If there were to be a risk of corrosion over time as a consequence of using a common nozzle, then the weld material deposited on the inside of the inward nozzle would go some way to obviating that condition. However, it is sometimes difficult to get a welder safely into a location where the inside of the nozzle could be welded.

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Re: Inward Nozzle

06/03/2009 1:53 AM

1. The first thing is that the inward nozzle can be easily fillet welded from both sides, then it is leak proof, stronger and easy to align.

2. Some times we need that the fluid coming from the nozzle should leave the nozzle tip into the fluid in the vessel, so that it should not collect air bubbles with it. Also that temperature of hot fluid mixes quickly to the fluid contained in the vessel.

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