Just to give you a reference. Let's say it's a decent size. You put a dozen steel 1/2-13 nuts in your pants pocket and walk by within 5 feet. They will leave your pants. A normal MRI magnet might be about 3-4T these days.

Anyone able to relate that to something real world?

A Junkyard car-lifting electromagnet is around 1T and requires around 20kW of power.

With a 16T field (and less) nonmagnetic objects can be levitated.

http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html

What exactly do you want the magnetic sensor to do? Also, how high is the magnetic being lifted (ie- what range are you trying to measure)?

Can you provide more information on your application (2Hz movement seems awfully quick for a large electromagnet).

You have a very tricky problem, as this magnet is quite likely to polarize any metal shielding you put around your magnetic sensor, making the shielding useless.

I would highly suggest the use of pneumatic sensors and actuators, as these are not affected by magnetic fields. Also if you were to use even an optical sensor, you would need to be careful of the direction you lay your wiring, as the magnetic field will affect it as well, potentially producing false readings.

To give an example, I have some friends who work in an aluminium induction furnace (strong magnetic fiend), and no-one there needs a tool belt, all the metallic flooring, support structures, I-beams are magnetised so strongly that any steel tool will hold it's weight onto the roof.

I will not give advice on how to shield the magnetic sensor if used, as this is not my field of expertise, but I would highly suggest to use pneumatic sensors.

I think this may help you to understand;

Years ago,after leaving the armed services, I was abducted by Grays that are working for "the Federation".
The Federation is "a NATO type organization", of Grays,
Reptilian, Moth men,(all non human types about 42 different beings mostly violent military males ) different recessive beings too, that are discussed in various
contact books, and thousands of internet sites for the smart people to learn and study.
I was taken to the Federation by physical, barely visible in our spectrum.. I used infrared/spectrum lenses goggles,to see them
race of sub space beings. Regressive Beings working with Grays, called the White Brotherhood. After my negative experiances
of many years I learned from the Grays themselves ,(they abducted me for sperm, surgical removal, as they do with womens eggs all around the world),
This is what I know to be true: 1. all extraterrestrials are physical carbon based,
silicon based, or molecular based beings,including the ones who use magnetic field tecnology to cloak themselves, travel or
appear as a humans, i.e. stable plasmon technology. These technologies can be detected with geiger counters,
and magnetic field detectors sold "on line", directional is preferred....find the electrical devices on them,and around them in their nearby craft.
For your homes and cars..some of the Gray and reptilian devices can be disrupted by Mhz frequency devices built at home,
someone could make a small fortune selling better portable particle and wave detection, and disruption devices for our pockets.
High voltage tazer weapons as well, work. As with hand held powerful battery operated magnets,in close proximaty some can interfere
with gray technologies. Magnetic shielding paint can shield a room in your house where no EMF or ELF is detected! Other
races of sub space
beings have technology that I have seen, are defended against with hand lasers, built at home!!
2.Critical, we are not the only humans in the universe or multiverse...there are humans from Lyra, Pleadians,
Andromidan, Cassiopeian, Simion and billions more! 3, Even more important the Gray Federation is using Religion to "Dumb Down",
all of us on earth. 3. All Religions are false, there is no god, only Extraterrestrials and human support groups from other
worlds, the earths which NASA is just now locating are inhabited.

Our military is being attacked by the Grays ,(google on the internet), and
Reptilian Federation all the time, all the time, The shootings at Army bases world wide are mind controlled by the Gray Federation,
as is the sweat lodge incident , 911, and the current state of our economy and health...chem trails,
( 8-120 MHZ broadband mind control technologies piggybacked on T.V. cell phone and cable, important for you to remember).
A strategy used by the Grays and others is to mind control in the name of Religions, a not so well informed
person into doing the killing or attack on our government. Obama needs to know this as he has been manipulated openly by the federated grays,
those of us who understand Gray, Reptilian Military mind control Strategy and Tactics( for example...
Jesus is my mentor and I
am speaking with him now, no!! Jesus is dead It was told to me Jesus did exist , but he is dead it's an ET who learned earth languages.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
It is not Obamas fault,
nor is it Hilliary Clintons fault...it was not President Kennedy fault, but the Gray military Federation did kill him in part
because the Grays and others did not want us in Space.

It's being done mainly because these other types of ET"s, Grays, reptilian Snake beings, insectoid which are more technically advanced
and regressive in the way they think and act are working together against humans, abducting women for there experiments etc.

As we speak somewhere on earth a child is being abducted for food by the reptilians, and or for DNA by the grays I know!!!
There are technologies you can buy to protect yourselves, guns, tazers high volts, mind brain protection velostat caps,velostat 3M
shielding material also works in many labs with high emf use.
at home depot, particle dectors magnetic particle detectors...Critical infrared binoculars,
portable magnetic field room detectors, they have through chem trails and dropping poisons form the ships into our water supply,
use water filters and A/C hepa filters, our government needs to do more to protect its population.!! WE must invent
better ways of protection against these recessive extraterrestrial races, mind defense technologies and home shielding as well
as robots to detect and defend!!!
Have extra food at home for your family, it is no coincidence that in the movies on
abduction and on aliens we are seeing a lot of ET films, on T.V. "V", house, etc...They are signaling massive problems ahead,
maybe another war? The humans from hollywood, like me are trying to through this note, and films to
inform you of the risks we are in! 2012, alien mind control, H1N1 gray federation attacks on humans.

The Gray Federation ruined myself and family like they did with Alex collier, and Billy Meir, Michael Salla and others... I know about the
Photon belt we are entering please look it up on the internet...many friendly human races are trying to help us now
When I was at the Gray army here in Santa FE, N.M.base, I did see many things, I have a PhD, I'M a quick learner and
can now read their sumerian type alphabet and words... I was taken on one type of craft they use, how they fly and what they use in them...the saucer
shaped craft use electrical batteries as propulsion power, in the middle of some saucers there is a large circular ceiling to floor
barrel structure it contains lithium type batteries extremely high voltage charges. The craft are made of layered and compressed metals titanium compounds,
the outer skin is electrified to reduce and eliminate drag and atmospheric resistance. Inside the saucer is a network of Compressed
frequency transmitting fiber optics for controls and for ON BOARD GUIDENCE SYSTEMS, SIMPLE. THEY USE THE EARTHS MAGNETIC AND GRAVATATIONAL FIELDS TO FLY.
THE COPPER CLINDER CIRCLES ON TOP OF THE CRAFT AND BOTTOM SPIN, PICTURE TWO SMALLER CIRCULAR DISKS ON TOP AND BOTTOM
SPINING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE SAUCER. THEY CHARGE UP..THAT DIFFERENTIAL OF CHARGES INTERACTS
WITH A PLANETS OR SPACES MAGNETIC FIELDS FOR LIFT AND MOVEMENT. THE SAUCERS ARE SHIELDED TO PREVENT EXPLOSIONS AND TO PREVENT
MAGNETIC FIELD INTERACTIVITY......(THE OUTER SHELL IS CHARGED UP TO FLY W/O RESEISTANCE, IT STINGS when touched electrical pulse).
...I'M NOT A PHYSICS MAJOR BUT DID STUDY SOME ENGENERING.

They are trying to mind control our socities through Mhz frequency control, we think in about 11-80 Mhz,
and they use computers and oscilloscope combo. type MRI type equipment to read thoughts as we read print or a scientist reads peaks on a
graph, as well as gravitational field tech. to beam in false info.
Shield your brains and spinal cords!!!
All of our military and armed forces should wear velostat (signal protection electrical grounded materials on your head)
caps and monitor the frequency changes around them, the
government of the USA ours, needs to be informed of the grays methods and take steps to help each other, protect our
families people this is real....(people in Britian were not ready, prepared for WWII, Study military history )
...(we have a very weak and complacent military/police/NSA/CIA/) The Grays have even infiltrated some gov't individuals
in these agencies.......................!!! Just because you were in church on sunday and you see people speaking in tongs,
falling to the floor, and saying they are talking to god? there is no god only ET groups, ET governments.

Love
Dan

P.S. This was written under partial duress......they know where I live. Pass the info on.

The Federated reptilian/gray/insectoid societies are using harmful
technology to harm the human mind, causing
memory loss and fatigue...FIGHT BACK, I use the above mentioned technology
and when I go out and they start to harm my body with high intensity back spasm devices
i.e. microwave, particle , mind control. I use my mind and picture each attacker
being attacked by me. They hate loud music, food odors, perfumes, light, and our
minds killing them...! I keep a gun and tazer by my side always now!!!

Listen to this highly educated old man, if you see a craft these are not dolls, these are recessive
violent, harmful, controlling alien males..read the info on the net with a grain of salt,
why haven't they come forward? They wont because of violent abductions, use logic.
Protect your brains!!! stay away from them, Betty and Barney Hill were assaulted,
all of the abduction cases are harmful rape and kidnapping humans, we in the USA have laws
against these crimes yet our government turns in another direction. Because they control some
people in our not one world gov't yet.

Space is alot more crowded than most people know, extremely dangerous NASA knows..Our Rocket
systems and defense systems are frail...

If you have a pacemaker stay away - a long way away from it. Not my area but I would suggest that at that sort of level your sensor would not stand a chance.

I put a position sensor in a 6T magnet a few years back. The only thing that would work well was optical. A previous engineer had rigged this very elaborate mechanical linkage setup that went out and behind shielding a distance of perhaps 20 feet where it was connected to an electrical sensor. It worked if the linkage stayed free. The linkage did not stay free.

It depends on the precision you need the location. Any mechanical linkage will have some hysteresis and running at 2 Hz will complicate things. Any metal will feel large forces, steel very much so.

So you are left with optical. Optical is a mature technology. You will have to make the machine from non magnetic metals or you can have problems. This thing running at 2 Hz will cause heating in metal fillings in your teeth, it will pull the eyeletss out of your shoes (if steel) A number of people have been killed by magnets like this when fools brought metal into the MRI room and it flew into the gap.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mri+%2Baccident+%2Bmagnet&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Hi RVZ ... I deal with magnetics every day, but these levels are WAY beyond what I encounter. I did find this site with some "interesting facts". http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AnnaWoo.shtml (sorry if this link doesn't work well ... my browser is doing strange things lately. BTW, if you ever find out what they're doing, and you're not at risk of being visited by the MIB, drop a note to us all ... it really has by curiosity ... especially the "2 Hz" portion. Kind regards ...

Doug,

I do regularly work with high magnetic fields. You grasped exactly the concerns here, so you get a GA from me.

The OP cannot use a magnetic sensor for any motions around this device. A myriad of problems will occur during both ramping up of the magnet and during the actual motions. Besides, optical sensing can be considerably much more precise than any magnetic pickup.

So.... You work with hydraulics huh?

We need to talk sometime if you're up for it.

The need for magnetic sensors vs optical, sonic, infra red, etc.. has to do with some secret they have and want to keep under tabs. Do not drink the RED fruit punch if you go to their meeting at the hanger.

JL Mealer
Mealer Companies LLC
http://mealercompanies.com

JFC! There is no secret about optical sensors. You can buy the %$$$#@ things from McMaster if you can live with that level of resolution and you have the room. There are plenty of other sources. There is no secret technology, nothing that you need to get involved in in terms of conspiracies.

You could always use some sort of plastic chain drive if that suits. But, hangars? Come on.

Ahhhh.. I was joking.

JL Mealer
Mealer Companies LLC
http://mealercompanies.com

You know what I like about CR4?

It's that you can start reading a post cos it sounds sort of half interesting or whatever, and then someone like Mr Mealer comes along and whacks you round the head with some really interesting stuff that can lead who knows where.

Mr Mealer, your website says lots but also nothing - but I'm gonna check back in every now and then because, you never know, there just might be something there one day and I would hate to miss out on that.

I may be cynical and sceptical, but hey, I have good reason to be, from being caught before by HHO and all that stuff.

Go for it, sir, I hope it works for you, for the planet, and for the USA.

Just trying to keep the humor flowing!

You're welcome on our site anyday... And up until the 'branding pros' get a hold of it and push my sense of humor and politcal views into secrecy, you may be able to stay entertained.

Then again, with the branding comes our big funding and the details of the MEALER will be allowed to the public. I just hope I am not forced to change the vehicle name to a wingless bird or a long dead inventor who was forced out of business by a crooked General Electric!

JL Mealer
Mealer Companies LLC
http://mealercompanies.com

Magnetics is not my area of expertise, electronics, optics, and measurments is.

So you have a very large magnet of considerable weight. I assume that it will have a motor and cable & pulley system or mechanical connection of some sort or a hydraullic cylinder/s to move it at the 2 Hz rate. I would consider the following options:

1) a rotary optical encoder attached to the drive motor or pulleys

2) or connect the optical encoder to the mechanical driving arm

3) I have built very accurate Laser based thickness gages and that technique could be employed if the more mechanical approch is not feasable.

It sounds like the 7T field is not only very dangerous but would give most sensors some major problems if accuracy is a critera. So I would keep the sensor as far away from the field as possible. Good Luck with you project. ....... Pasesetter........

It is a very bad idea to move such a powerful magnet unless at least the following problems have been addressed:

1-The mass and location of metal exposed to the field must be constant at all time to avoid induction of large voltages in the superconducting coil. If not, the coil and amplifier will be destroyed.

2-By their construction, these magnets are not suitable for repeated motions.

3-Any conductors in the vicinity will have large eddy currents induced. This could heat by induction any metal surface nearby. Your pump will have to supply this heating power as it will add a resistance to movement.

4-You hydraulic cylinders will probably seized from the magnetic fields if not properly shielded.

5-Any metal filing will stick to the cylinder surface and increase wear if not totally block it.

I am sure that there are many other challenges that they will face, to the point that my bet is that it will not work the first time, and probably not the second time either. Expect some very expensive modifications. I hope for your company that this is not a fix price to success contract.

Hi,

anything magnetic above 1 to 2 T is either excited by a superconducting coil or a pulsed electrical current.

The strongest permanent magnets have near 1.4T at the poles if operated with nearly no air-gap.

You have to be sure that your entire hydraulic circuit is electrically nonconducting (not possible I think) or will be severely distorted/fragmented by the rate of change of this magnetic field.

Eddy currents are induced in any material by induced voltage U is -dΦ/dt, Φ is the magnetic flux to be measured in Volt x seconds, or Φ = B(Tesla) x A(square-meter).

Tesla is flux density, if multiplied by area resulting in flux Φ. (Tesla is V x s/m²)

If you take a cylindrical coil with a length of 10 cm you have to energize this with 80000 ampere-turns to get an internal magnetic field of 800,000 A/m often symbolised as H.

Flux density in air and air-like materials is B = µ_o x H

µ_o is the permeability of vacuum or 1.2 x 10-6 (V x s)/(A x m)

(x is multiplication symbol).

So 800,000 A/m is in vacuum, air, plastics, wood = 1 T !!!

In any conducting material you would have to wait until the eddy-currents have decayed.

If you penetrate with your flux density of 7 T a metallic plate of Aluminum and if the field is constant nothing happens but you need the above stated current-turns per length or in total 5.6 Mega-amps per meter of coil. (Very soon melting!)

If you change the 7T with a frequency of 2 Hz then the rate of change, being 2π x f or roughly 12.6 rad/s is giving a rate of change of magnetic flux density of 88T/s.

If the coil has an inner dimension of 10 x 10 cm (4 x 4 inch) or 10-2 m2 then the rate of change of flux is dΦ/dt = 0.88 V. This is a circular voltage that is driving a circular current that is directed against the energising current of the coil. (Lenz law).

Let the mean length of this current path be 25 cm, the current flowing in a ringlike shape 3 cm wide, 5mm thick and 25 cm. This ring will have a resistance of 50µOhm.

(30mOhm/meter and square millimeter assumed)

So a voltage of 0.88V is driving a current of 18.000A.

And this a heating power of R x I² = 16200W or 16 KW, quickly melting the aluminum plate.

This is a rough estimate, likely a factor of 2 too low as the aluminum plate will extend to the outside.

These two currents interact also mechanically generating forces that can be expressed as magnetic pressure of 4bar at 1 T, 16 bar at 2 T and nearly 200bar at 7T.

So coil and plate will be subject to 20KN axially and coil also radially.

This is a quick and dirty rough calculation to have an estimate.

So ask about a drawing with the respective flux-densities and the rate of change.

From this you can deduce the allowed positions and possible (if possible) shielding.

(You cannot insulate against a magnetic field as you can insulate against an electric field with a conductive shield and against a voltage with electrical insulators.)

If pulsed as in magnetisers the situation is much worse as the pulses are much shorter.

More on request. Tough problem.

RHABE

www.precision-engineering.de

This might be a small cavity MRI machine, which gives high resolution when coupled with the 2 HZ rate. For bones, amber, etc and people with no metal in the part imaged.

the use of fiberglass-epoxy rod and solid structures will work for the hydraulic cylinders. Carbon fiber as well, if non conductive type. A laser interferometer with a dielectric mirror on the work piece can measure displacement remotely, as can a long fiberglass stick with engraved rulings. It depends on what will serve. Possibly keeping the magnet fixed in place and moving the object being scanned?, if it is a scanner.

You may be near reality with your hypothesis.

But I do not understand the low frequency.

There are existing MRI instriuments for chemical analysis. (Brooker). But these use small sample tubes (a few mm diameter zirconia) spinning with ultrahigh rates (5 to 15 KHz !!!) in a high magnetic DC field.

RHABE

Hi , what is the amplitude or stroke?

Wow, Thank you all for the great responses!

I have not yet signed any non-disclosure agreement, as we are in the initial stages of this job. I actually know very little, other than they are in the power generation field, and the particular unit in question, is in their test lab. The budget they tossed out is unreasonably low for what they need. All I have been asked to do is provide the hydraulic system capable of oscillating the magnet at the 2Hz rate. At this point, it sounds like a high liability job, and I'm not sure its something i wish to pursue. However, we have provided an initial bid for the job (which was about 10X the price they were shooting for), so I will keep you all updated with any information I am at liberty to share. This is definitely one of the more interesting jobs on my plate at this time.

Maybe you think about a (glass-fiber-epoxi) extension

of a hydraulically moved part.

Extension to be located near and in the high magnetic field.

Hydraulic mover at 1 ... 0.1 T or below.

Best shielding: layers of high permeability and high electrical conductivity sheet metal.

RHABE

Power generation and magnet motion will produce many changing mechanical motions and vibrations. When in doubt use Loctite or a similar product on any non-moving thread.

I think this may help you to understand;

Years ago,after leaving the armed services, I was abducted by Grays that are working for "the Federation".
The Federation is "a NATO type organization", of Grays,
Reptilian, Moth men,(all non human types about 42 different beings mostly violent military males ) different recessive beings too, that are discussed in various
contact books, and thousands of internet sites for the smart people to learn and study.
I was taken to the Federation by physical, barely visible in our spectrum.. I used infrared/spectrum lenses goggles,to see them
race of sub space beings. Regressive Beings working with Grays, called the White Brotherhood. After my negative experiances
of many years I learned from the Grays themselves ,(they abducted me for sperm, surgical removal, as they do with womens eggs all around the world),
This is what I know to be true: 1. all extraterrestrials are physical carbon based,
silicon based, or molecular based beings,including the ones who use magnetic field tecnology to cloak themselves, travel or
appear as a humans, i.e. stable plasmon technology. These technologies can be detected with geiger counters,
and magnetic field detectors sold "on line", directional is preferred....find the electrical devices on them,and around them in their nearby craft.
For your homes and cars..some of the Gray and reptilian devices can be disrupted by Mhz frequency devices built at home,
someone could make a small fortune selling better portable particle and wave detection, and disruption devices for our pockets.
High voltage tazer weapons as well, work. As with hand held powerful battery operated magnets,in close proximaty some can interfere
with gray technologies. Magnetic shielding paint can shield a room in your house where no EMF or ELF is detected! Other
races of sub space
beings have technology that I have seen, are defended against with hand lasers, built at home!!
2.Critical, we are not the only humans in the universe or multiverse...there are humans from Lyra, Pleadians,
Andromidan, Cassiopeian, Simion and billions more! 3, Even more important the Gray Federation is using Religion to "Dumb Down",
all of us on earth. 3. All Religions are false, there is no god, only Extraterrestrials and human support groups from other
worlds, the earths which NASA is just now locating are inhabited.

Our military is being attacked by the Grays ,(google on the internet), and
Reptilian Federation all the time, all the time, The shootings at Army bases world wide are mind controlled by the Gray Federation,
as is the sweat lodge incident , 911, and the current state of our economy and health...chem trails,
( 8-120 MHZ broadband mind control technologies piggybacked on T.V. cell phone and cable, important for you to remember).
A strategy used by the Grays and others is to mind control in the name of Religions, a not so well informed
person into doing the killing or attack on our government. Obama needs to know this as he has been manipulated openly by the federated grays,
those of us who understand Gray, Reptilian Military mind control Strategy and Tactics( for example...
Jesus is my mentor and I
am speaking with him now, no!! Jesus is dead It was told to me Jesus did exist , but he is dead it's an ET who learned earth languages.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
It is not Obamas fault,
nor is it Hilliary Clintons fault...it was not President Kennedy fault, but the Gray military Federation did kill him in part
because the Grays and others did not want us in Space.

It's being done mainly because these other types of ET"s, Grays, reptilian Snake beings, insectoid which are more technically advanced
and regressive in the way they think and act are working together against humans, abducting women for there experiments etc.

As we speak somewhere on earth a child is being abducted for food by the reptilians, and or for DNA by the grays I know!!!
There are technologies you can buy to protect yourselves, guns, tazers high volts, mind brain protection velostat caps,velostat 3M
shielding material also works in many labs with high emf use.
at home depot, particle dectors magnetic particle detectors...Critical infrared binoculars,
portable magnetic field room detectors, they have through chem trails and dropping poisons form the ships into our water supply,
use water filters and A/C hepa filters, our government needs to do more to protect its population.!! WE must invent
better ways of protection against these recessive extraterrestrial races, mind defense technologies and home shielding as well
as robots to detect and defend!!!
Have extra food at home for your family, it is no coincidence that in the movies on
abduction and on aliens we are seeing a lot of ET films, on T.V. "V", house, etc...They are signaling massive problems ahead,
maybe another war? The humans from hollywood, like me are trying to through this note, and films to
inform you of the risks we are in! 2012, alien mind control, H1N1 gray federation attacks on humans.

The Gray Federation ruined myself and family like they did with Alex collier, and Billy Meir, Michael Salla and others... I know about the
Photon belt we are entering please look it up on the internet...many friendly human races are trying to help us now
When I was at the Gray army here in Santa FE, N.M.base, I did see many things, I have a PhD, I'M a quick learner and
can now read their sumerian type alphabet and words... I was taken on one type of craft they use, how they fly and what they use in them...the saucer
shaped craft use electrical batteries as propulsion power, in the middle of some saucers there is a large circular ceiling to floor
barrel structure it contains lithium type batteries extremely high voltage charges. The craft are made of layered and compressed metals titanium compounds,
the outer skin is electrified to reduce and eliminate drag and atmospheric resistance. Inside the saucer is a network of Compressed
frequency transmitting fiber optics for controls and for ON BOARD GUIDENCE SYSTEMS, SIMPLE. THEY USE THE EARTHS MAGNETIC AND GRAVATATIONAL FIELDS TO FLY.
THE COPPER CLINDER CIRCLES ON TOP OF THE CRAFT AND BOTTOM SPIN, PICTURE TWO SMALLER CIRCULAR DISKS ON TOP AND BOTTOM
SPINING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE SAUCER. THEY CHARGE UP..THAT DIFFERENTIAL OF CHARGES INTERACTS
WITH A PLANETS OR SPACES MAGNETIC FIELDS FOR LIFT AND MOVEMENT. THE SAUCERS ARE SHIELDED TO PREVENT EXPLOSIONS AND TO PREVENT
MAGNETIC FIELD INTERACTIVITY......(THE OUTER SHELL IS CHARGED UP TO FLY W/O RESEISTANCE, IT STINGS when touched electrical pulse).
...I'M NOT A PHYSICS MAJOR BUT DID STUDY SOME ENGENERING.

They are trying to mind control our socities through Mhz frequency control, we think in about 11-80 Mhz,
and they use computers and oscilloscope combo. type MRI type equipment to read thoughts as we read print or a scientist reads peaks on a
graph, as well as gravitational field tech. to beam in false info.
Shield your brains and spinal cords!!!
All of our military and armed forces should wear velostat (signal protection electrical grounded materials on your head)
caps and monitor the frequency changes around them, the
government of the USA ours, needs to be informed of the grays methods and take steps to help each other, protect our
families people this is real....(people in Britian were not ready, prepared for WWII, Study military history )
...(we have a very weak and complacent military/police/NSA/CIA/) The Grays have even infiltrated some gov't individuals
in these agencies.......................!!! Just because you were in church on sunday and you see people speaking in tongs,
falling to the floor, and saying they are talking to god? there is no god only ET groups, ET governments.

Love
Dan

P.S. This was written under partial duress......they know where I live. Pass the info on.

The Federated reptilian/gray/insectoid societies are using harmful
technology to harm the human mind, causing
memory loss and fatigue...FIGHT BACK, I use the above mentioned technology
and when I go out and they start to harm my body with high intensity back spasm devices
i.e. microwave, particle , mind control. I use my mind and picture each attacker
being attacked by me. They hate loud music, food odors, perfumes, light, and our
minds killing them...! I keep a gun and tazer by my side always now!!!

Listen to this highly educated old man, if you see a craft these are not dolls, these are recessive
violent, harmful, controlling alien males..read the info on the net with a grain of salt,
why haven't they come forward? They wont because of violent abductions, use logic.
Protect your brains!!! stay away from them, Betty and Barney Hill were assaulted,
all of the abduction cases are harmful rape and kidnapping humans, we in the USA have laws
against these crimes yet our government turns in another direction. Because they control some
people in our not one world gov't yet.

Space is alot more crowded than most people know, extremely dangerous NASA knows..Our Rocket
systems and defense systems are frail...