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What is the Value of a Winchester Model 1912 12 Ga Shotgun Manufactured in 1914?

08/30/2009 5:23 AM

I have inherited a Winchester Model 1912 12 gauge shotgun with the following characteristics: walnut stock, hard rubber butt plate, ribbed forearm, 28 inch barrel, Serial Number 57,426 (manufactured in 1914), cylinder choke, tan-blue blueing and the gun is in good condition. Any ideas about its value? Thanks.

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Re: What is the Value of a Winchester Model 1912 12 Ga Shotgun Manufactured in 1914?

08/30/2009 5:37 AM

Box lock? side lock? A picture is worth a thousand words.
I'd have thought a net search of local gun auctions would give an idea.
Mind you don't even say what country you are in...so who knows?

Ah, just found this on wiki...

Early pump action repeater.
I'd have thought it had little value as a useable sporting gun, but may be of interest to collectors as its apparently the first successful pump acion repeater according to wiki.
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08/30/2009 5:57 AM

Based on Del's wiki it might be valuable.. but I doubt it will be more than 1500 dollars.

If you are in the US take it to a couple gun shops and have it appraised. These things are really only as valuable as the collector who wants it is willing to pay. Guns of that vintage are not that expensive, especially if they were in military production and there are lots of them around.

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08/30/2009 6:51 AM

Thanks for the comments, Del and Steve. My grandfather probably bought this gun in Waynesboro or Staunton, Virginia, and I'm currentlly in North Carolina.

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08/31/2009 7:08 AM

The 2005 Blue Book of Gun Values lists that gun in 95% condition at $350.00. A collector might pay more because 1914 was the year of introduction of the model 12 in 12 ga.(it was available in 20 ga. in 1912). A gun dealer is the LAST place I would go for a fair appraisal. I suggest you go to Gun Broker or Guns America and compare prices of equivalent guns. Also, guns with military provenance (markings) sell at a premium because of the history of combat shotguns and the fascination with all things military.

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09/18/2009 4:24 AM

Hey, I'm heading to KL for a holiday and I was wondering if there are any firearm or hunting stores there where I could buy some hunting gear?

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08/30/2009 9:14 AM

Steve S. probably has the right answer. I would expect retail between $500 and $1500, depending on condition and variations (ribs, checkering, etc).

Now, if your grandfather had bought this in Fishersville, that would be a different story...

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08/30/2009 10:17 AM

I assume you inquiry is purely academic. You wouldn't really sell your grandfather's shotgun, would you?

I'd say this gun is priceless to you, and worth much less to anyone else.

Keep it, shoot it, enjoy it.

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08/31/2009 5:20 PM

Keep it, shoot it, enjoy it.

NEGATIVE! Shotgun shells from before WWII are different from modern shells in many ways:

1) Shells are 2-3/4" today; prewar shells are 2-9/16". This will present problems with extraction and ejection. To be fired today, any shells must be specially trimmed and crimped.

2) Modern shells use double base powder, similar to fast burning pistol powder. To be fired today, shells must be loaded with loads similar to original specifications; i.e. CPU pressure of proper powder, wad, and shot load combination.

However, Keep it and Enjoy it are both proper suggestions.

The MODEL 12 is a great shotgun, an interesting and popular shotgun in its day. I had one (circa 1930 model) in 16 Ga (Billings, Montana), and was asking $250.00 for it. Absolutely no lookers. A fella from Texas comes along, sees it and just about swallows his teeth! "HOW MUCH FER THA 12?" The (revised) asking price of $300.00 was quickly matched with cash. The out of state transaction was an issue... but that is another story.

Your MODEL 12 may generate such a reaction from the proper customer. You just have to find him.

Just DON'T shoot modern shells out of her.

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08/31/2009 5:23 PM

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08/31/2009 6:42 PM

Thank you very much for the safety tip. I wasn't aware of the shell changes. I was aware that there are currently two shotgun shells and that mine will only take the 2 and 3/4s shell. Apparently there is a 3 inch shell, and some guns will take both.

Any further information will be of interest.

My shotgun is a Wards Western Field model 10-SB94-TB.

It is a single shot 32 inch barrel.

It has a real nice balance. The stock is Bakelite, which is interesting.

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09/02/2009 1:07 PM

Just in case you decide to shoot Model 12, consider buying or handloading your shells with a powder in the non-nitro category. Most barrels of that era are not nitro-proofed. Lower barrel presures are another reason to prefer powders in the "black-powder" category rather that nitros. Any gun-dealer should be able to guide you on that.

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09/02/2009 3:27 PM

A gunsmith can decode the stamps in the barrel from the proof station to see if it was nitro proofed or not surely?

Also, a barrel can be reproofed for little money (at least in the UK) to see if it can handle the modern powders or not.....they usually know and warn first if there is a chance the barrel will explode, they know their job (usually!)

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08/31/2009 12:15 AM

I live in North Carolina, and since in NC there are guns a plenty, you'd be lucky to get 4 hundred and 50 bucks for the gun.

I could be wrong.

It is a good short barrel shotgun suitable for home protection, though a Remington 870 is probably preferable with a legal hacksaw to 18 inches.

I did buy one of my girlfriends the 870, though some of my friends told me it was stupid to buy my girlfriend a shotgun.

I myself am fond of 20 gauge shotguns over 12 gauge, because though the spread is not as great, if you do happen to miss on the first shot, recoil is not so great.

I can see why 12 gauge is preferred.

Anyway around here I would say 450 to 600 is about all you might get at a gun show out your hand cash.

If you have any friends that are cops, they are typically messing around with guns quite a bit, and will likely know what the going rates are for whatever you might have.

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08/31/2009 4:40 AM

When I sold my 870 just prior to moving to Malaysia I only got $150 for it. And it was a fine 1965 model well cared for and in good shape...

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08/31/2009 8:48 AM

............bring it into Australia............customs would probably grab it..........and crush it.

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08/31/2009 11:21 AM

I'm not familiar with the laws there.

Are you not able to own, or import?

Any way to quickly answer that?

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08/31/2009 12:09 PM

Are you not able to own, or import?

In short no, however, you can own certain types of guns, but the range is limited.

You have to have a licence, the firearm must be locked up in an approved cabinet and the ammunition must be locked away elsewhere in the house in a secure approved container or safe.(I think this is basically right......I am not a gun owner)

The gun laws here are quite strict.

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09/01/2009 8:08 AM

That all goes for the UK and Germany too.

Also in the UK pistols are banned, possession alone is something like 10 years to life (can a UK person confirm or correct that please?)

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