How to Retreat Neglectance?

Find another job...go out into my garage and make something...shoot arrows into defunct domestic appliances

Writing sarcastic E-mails to the boss and NOT sending them...must not press send...D'oh
Del

Yeah, just write and, if you don't mind, send the type of emails to the relevant creatures who might at least read them and finally listen nd act! (Actually, I too have something to say but I think it would deserve a new discussion so it could draw in people from many walks of life.)

Del and isti80,

Changing jobs for non acceptance, to me it sounds to be an emotional decision. My experience of changing companies for want of a condusive environment includes two firing outs, which of course helped me to learn the world better.

emotional decision.

Indeed, but our emotional/mental health is of vital importance...I left my last job to work longer hours and for less money. But it rescued my sanity, I felt in danger of mental and emotional breakdown where I was....
Del

True, this is called real guts and sure journey about what and how need to be accompished by one.The risk will always lead to betterment, leaving out intermediate set backs.

Is "neglectance" a word?

Help me correct with and apt word.

Suggestion: Negativity

"choose your battles by the ones you can win. Walk away, from the ones you can't"...

I cannot agree with you more on that one. The problem sometimes you are completely surrounded by the negligent types yet you would need their help because they happened to be lucky to sit on important matters, like money for example.

Yet, winning can only be achieved with the help of those who are willing to listen and understand rather than talking to the brick-wall.

I have found or learned you only have so much energy and wasting it on an entrenched group by pounding at it, everyones productivity drops. You look at the over-all picture as you build momentum those entrenched will have less effect as time goes by. And if you remain there long enough, (because opportunity will be presented to you and not the entrenched, because more times than not the entrenched are only protecting their own personal sphere), you will create a following.

Its still is not easy, but thats what you have to strive for.

p911

It is valid point about not to loose the self esteem and keep working on the convincing game. It calls for good deal of mental maturity and emotional stability of the employee.Many people play cool and carry on with their duty.

If not possible to convince here, where else?

This a major strategy of waiting and acting cool, that many often adapt.

That sounds a bit like what's know here as 'brick-dust on the forehead'. In other words, banging your head against a wall. Erm......walk....blow steam.....I don't know but it probably depends on the circumstance; How much do you need the money versus how much pratitude* can you stand. If the attitude is pervasive in the company, just run like hell. It'll cost you short term, but maybe save your sanity.

When you have a new idea that's good, but nobody listens, develop a knack of twitching your neck and frothing at the mouth slightly. You idea may not be taken up, but they'll give you some good meds.. No, sorry for being light. Persist - what else can you do ? Have faith in your inspiration and just keep on pushing people to listen/give it a go. Confidence and persistence is all.

*pratitude©®™ Along with all variants of capitalization/italicisation.

Welcome back Kris,

Your postings were not seen for quite sometime. Your point seems to be realistic. Two of my earier service companies which were not clear on this part never progressed well, went on with the game of frequent changing of peopleand one of company a big LOCK is seen at the gate.

One gentleman , who was giving me the firing sentance, told me a wise thing- Keep working towards your own goals. One got to play the game of waiting.

I would like to quote a story from SHIV CARA'S YOU CAN WIN motivation book, the story meant a lot to me.

In Chigago city's lake about 10000 people had assembled to witness the demonstration of a steam boat by the inventor.

Before the start 5000 of the people commented-' Look, the ship can never start'.

To their surprise the boat got started and went well.

The rest of the 5000 people said' Look he can never stop'.

But ater few rounds the inventor stopped the boat and walked away with success.

This means that one got to be Honest to their cause and work with a positve attitude with their goals.

I would like to add that we got to be true listeners to positive crticsms and change our ways and finish it to bring to a level of acceptance. This calls for positive perseverance, which in many cases will apply to marketing personnel in convincing odd customers and winning acceptance.

People tend to generalize. They are biased to believe someone who couldn't be bothered with knowing or verifying standard usage of words used to title a communication, probably would not research an 'brilliant idea' thoroughly enough, to see if the idea really is brilliant.

Spell check and proof reading prior to sending communications can't hurt. 'Negligence' in this area could lead to others believing your 'brilliant idea' is about as well thought out as your communication.

benbenben

Thank you for the correction. At times I try applied english, may an over sight. Regards.

For what it's worth, we live our lives based mainly upon the decidsions we make. If you feel frustrated by the lack of acceptance, you can chose to fight it or not. If you fight, you may pay the consequence in the way of job security, peer animosity or high blood pressure, If you chose to walk away from the fight your consequences may be different but more under your control. Walk away and as del suggests, shoot arrows at inanimate objects, and then find another outlet for your creativity.

When I found myself in the position that my boss was a proverbial a**hole, I stayed out of his way, stopped with my creative suggestions and focused on my after-work interests in my workshop. I stopped trying to make changes to a world that did not want my input and stopped worrying about it. I also spent more time with my family and found new activities to do with my son.

It paid off in the long run. Eventually I quit that job and found a much better one.

Artsmith,

Your post throw valuable insights to the issue discussed and guides on positive strategies.

Human groups are always conflictive and try impressing by suppressing others. Such unethical circumstances, it is wiser to search alternates than getting suffocated. The overall boss also matters a lot in getting best from his subjects. Few dictators make such fuzz and many aristocrats do exist.

There is an old saying; "love thy enemy, it will drive him crazy". That enemy could be anyone who you consider opposed to your views; a boss, peer). Overall, it can't possibly hurt. Neglect is the word you should have used; not neglectance. But even neglect is not the right word to use either. I have the same problem myself in trying to find the word that best describes what I'm trying to say. I would replace "neglect" with "recognition".

Thank you Ronesto for your elderly views. Loving every body is a very high state of mental and personality disposition calling for an elevated outlook. Sure it protects you from behaving gross.

In BAGAVAT GEETA- IN THE 18TH chapter there is a gist of all sayings- KEEP DOING YOUR KARMA[duty] AND ATTACH NO FRUITS.

Philosophy helps at times to digest facts and keep one self cool.

Re, FYM...
Indeed the knowledge that at any time you can simply stand up and walk out the door is very liberating.
Del

Long term served companies you have the right to fight and the top management would have laid a valid estimation of long standing employees. You have the safety of an identified and a loyal executive and your words will truly count.

Some people tactically obey superiors and don't much bother on values- survival is the only goal. Ethics play a vital role to our behavioural statue.

A known devil is better than an unknown angel.

Appreciations to your genuine firmness. Too much of a stay in a single organization some times is treated as a set back for higher positions. It is up to one, what he wants to be. Contentment and lack of comparisons with others perhaps a golden gift and one got to be sure where he wants to be.

It should not be at the cost of lack of confidance to changes.

The confidence attained from the relentlessness in pursuit of passion, regardless of amount of tangible rewards and/or recognition or credit, should provide sufficient momentum to surpass the negativity.

If it proves insufficient, simply increase the relentlessness in the hope that it has a direct proportionality ratio with the confidence. All this, under the hypothesis that the warm and fuzzy sense of satisfaction and personal accomplishment having arrived at a rationality is worth the pain.

Sure thats true, but after while ( oh say 10 years, if you have that much patience) it does effectsyour sanity.

Dear p911,

After 2 years, my opinion on this matter has slightly changed. I have a better understanding of your "affects your sanity" part. Such passion and relentlessness is TOO GOOD for most workplaces.

I have since reserved such intellectual commitment to building my own business and advising new engineers (after hours, of course) I realized that waiting and/or striving for appreciation is not always worth it. I now understand what some engineer told me on my first day: After seeing my high energy and bug-eyed enthusiasm, he calmly said, "Don't work too hard."

P.S. What are the odds that two years from now I will retract/restate this comment?...hmmm, we'll see.

Knowing some of the motivations for resistance and/or negativity towards your ideas may help you maintain or regain objectivity, as well as tailor your approach. Some that I have encountered are:

Sloth - to entertain or explore your idea would mean more work for your boss.

Fear, aversion - that those above your boss provide him no mandate to do so, and would actually do him damage.

Apathy, ignorance - simply doesn't care.

Jealousy - self explanatory.

Theft, plagiarism - to thwart your idea now, and bring it up to his superiors at a later date as his own.

Assessment of which, if any, of these motivations apply is best done by establishing rapport and communication with your peers, especially those that have been there longer than you.

Much like going into battle, it is wise to have good reconnaissance and intelligence in hand.

Valid points Munkey. You have made it classified well. One got to be deli gent about what to tell to whom and take cautious steps. In spite of that the peer group behave unconcerned, a common group trait in many organizations. May be that their priorities and targets have a different focus. Many people go with the tide tactfully and survive. Many over enthusiastic serious persons over exert themselves and land no where. One aspect is the group or organizational culture[ say approaches like KAIZEN], and other aspect is group ethics and open mindedness to new ideas.

I remember well the saying of my senior colleague- TIME YOUR ACTIVITIES AND INITIATIVES or STRIKE AT THE RIGHT INSTANCE. KEEP PLAYING THE WAITING GAME.

I found the idea to be really workable.

Sun Tzu said:

"If you know yourself and your enemy, you will walk away from 100 battles with 100 victories."

I completely agree with your notion of understanding the motivations.