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Drying a powder

09/19/2009 9:59 AM

A question for you guys-

I want to dry powder (grain size similar to table salt) containing 8% moisture. The powder will be put in aluminium trays in layers of 1cm. The temp inside the oven will be 70 deg C. The flow of air will be such that no powder sholud blow up in the air.

I am not able to understand how to calculate the time required too reduce the moisture to 0.5%. The powder is not hygroscopic.

Help of you guys will be very benefcial.........

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09/19/2009 10:08 AM

This sounds like homework, again.

Me, I'd just run a couple batches through and do some before and after weighing.

You might ask this guy, he may know, Water out of tube? He's trying to dry a tube. You guys in the same class?

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09/19/2009 10:41 AM

Maybe he's the same guy?

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09/19/2009 1:04 PM

Put enough monkeys in a room with enough typewriters and sooner or later you might get similar questions, I guess.

No offense to "any cercopithecoid (Old World monkey) or platyrrhine (New World monkey) primate" intended.

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09/20/2009 7:59 AM

I'm glad that you added that disclaimer or I might have been offended.

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09/20/2009 3:03 AM

Hi not so smart,

Perhaps this is a reason for compelling a person to join before asking a question? You would have a name at least?......................

It costs nothing and joining could not be easier? After all, a truly honest person who is NOT a Student usually does join before asking a detailed or complicated question?

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09/20/2009 7:56 AM

Hi babybear,

good to hear from you again.

I've been saying that for some time. If you don't sign in you don't get updates...

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09/19/2009 1:26 PM

That's easy. Just time it till it's half way dried, then double the time.

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09/20/2009 9:18 AM

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09/20/2009 6:27 PM

Hi TVP45,

That's easy. Just time it till it's half way dried, then double the time

Now why didn't I think of that? So obvious really? LOL!

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09/19/2009 11:59 PM

Your not in the drug trade are you? Was that a Columbian accent I picked up there.

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09/20/2009 12:24 AM

WAY too many variables not accounted to even attempt to answer.

What moisture level is in the air coming into the oven?

What "surface tension" does the powder have relative to water.

What it the differential migration rate of water through the powder from the bottom of the tray to the drier upper surface. (I suspect this would become a second order differential based on delta humidity.)

Air flow rate would also impact outcome as this is waht would be transferring the moisture away.

(Some might just guess that if they add enough energy to "evaporate" the required 7.5% moisture then that's enough, but you would have to include the calculation for thermal mass of the original material, oven trays and leakage through the walls.)

Tooooooo many variable, not enough information.

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09/20/2009 3:20 AM

Hi JaE,

Seems to be a pretty good answer. At least as much as this question 'can' be answered?

You could also bring in the grain 'shape'. Is it mixed or all more or less square, round??? What is the spacing and thickness of the trays?

Would not there have to be some kind of recirculation to dry the top shelves as well and at the same rate as the lower ones?

I am pretty sure this is homework. In which case any mention of the methods described will have already been discussed and the answer already found; just a case of perhaps 'listening more carefully' on a Tutorial next time?

Can someone tell me, if this is to be dried, why leave the drying process at .5%? If it is a powder would it not benefit from total drying? Perhaps to an even 'cake' then be ground again if necessary? The method proposed seems very 'hit and miss'.

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09/21/2009 11:06 PM

I love your answer

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09/20/2009 4:30 AM

Define: Drying

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09/20/2009 4:38 AM

Make it a closed batch process, and optimize your circulation and exhaust suction level bare minimum to avoid particulate carry over with dry air.

The other best options could be the use of radio frequency or microwaves, where drying rates can be faster and control can be better.

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09/20/2009 12:20 PM

IR heatingcan also be tried.

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09/20/2009 9:33 AM

Hey Guest,

Don't know if this would help, but a recent Dept. of Energy newsletter gave a brief description of experimental process to dry coal particles (fines) so as to be able to recover them from processing waste and burn them as fuel. If I remember correctly it involved subjecting the wet slurry to heat and pressure. I thought it was interesting because the use of pressure was , to me, counter-intuitive, ( you know, vacuum freezing , the process that renders mine waste , into Taster's Choice instant coffee). The newsletter can be accessed on the Dept. of Energy website.

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09/21/2009 10:14 AM

It depends upon the dryness of the air coming in, and the ability of the air to pass through the powder instead of going round the aluminium trays instead.

Field trials will determine the best way of doing the drying, rather than equations.

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09/21/2009 12:33 PM

Heat the tray from the top with infra red light radiation.

This can be obtained with electrical tubes or gas radiators.

The temperature can be controlled changing the height and capacity of the radiation panels.

You will need an exhaust port on top of the radiating panels for as natural outlet of vapour and an inlet port for replacement air.

No need of forced air circulation or blowing.

You will have to do some field testing for the amount of residue humidity. More time less humidity.

We dry sludge this way from 15% to 1% humidity.

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09/21/2009 11:19 PM

I got it why not just suck up the top dry particles

and leave the wet ones

to go around again until they dry

I love my vacum pump and hair blower

and just slaming the dust particles around with 200 psi

just makes the dance so much more attractive

and if you can get them to spin

hey suck them up

in a swirl

and let them dump free falling into a container

by spin and suck you get to all the granuls

for get the pizza trays

if this is not home work

all rules barred with the exception of .5%

whats with that

why do you need .5%

what is the process that requires .5%

are you mixing it with what

is this powder for your face

and you want to keep .5% moisture on your skin

explain a little more

need more input johnny 5

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09/22/2009 1:19 AM

Wow, are you Tom Waites? Awesome answer, needs piano accompaniment though.

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09/22/2009 1:41 AM

hello dear all gurus.

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