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Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/23/2009 10:22 AM

dear friend,

kindly any one explaine me what is the effect of knee point voltage in CT.

If one PX Class CT having Vk>300V, Ia<30 mA how i calculate this CT BURDEN also what is the primary current when th ct is satsurated,

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B.JEYACHANDRAN

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/26/2009 2:26 AM

Dear friend,

Knee Point voltage is nothing but a point at which the CT saturates. Thatsy its always better to design the CTs which can operate without saturation even at a voltage appears in the CT during fault condition. Pls find below the following formula for calculating the Knee point voltage.

Vk=2If(Rct+2Rl).

where, If is the current refected to the CT secondary during fault condition,

Rct is the resistance of the CT which can be adopted by means of a thumb rule considering the CT ratio,

Rl is the lead resistance i.e. sum of the resistance of the wire connected between the relay & CT and Impedance offered by the internal circuitary of the relay

For PS class CT's designed considering the above,burden is not applicable.

Pls revert back if you have any further queries.

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Manimaran.V

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/26/2009 2:42 AM

dear friend,

thank you for your guidence, how i calculate the fault current limit in primary side with knee point voltage

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/26/2009 7:44 AM

Dear Friend,

Pls find below the formula for calculating the fault current,

Fault current(in KA) = Rated Curent/(% Impedance*1000)

% Impedence shall be calculated for the system from the point of source to the point of occurence of the fault.

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/28/2009 4:12 AM

Dear Manimaran,

Can you please explain, how to calculate Ia and what is its significance?

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/28/2009 11:19 AM

dear friend,

thankyou friend

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

05/29/2012 1:48 AM

Dear Sir,

Please send one example calculation for knee point voltage.

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/30/2009 12:38 PM

Dear member

For PX class CTs , the burden is not normally mentioned . There the CT is defiened based on the CT kneepoint voltage , magnetising current etc . The burden is mentioned in class P CTs

In PX class CTs the kneepoint voltage is normally based on the max fault current and a diamensioning factor based on system X/R ratio

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

09/30/2009 9:06 PM

Understand from above formula to calculate knee point voltage. Can you please explain how to calculate magnetising current.

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

10/01/2009 12:24 AM

There is no formulae as such for calculating the magnetising current . However some a application demands minimum value of mag current for relay setting ( eg; REF protection ). Iin any case a magnetising current of less than 30 mA would be sufficient for most of the application

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

10/01/2009 3:31 AM

ya.. thats right.. there is no formula for calculating magnetising current. however, lesser the magnetising current, better is your CT performance.

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

05/07/2012 7:57 AM

The formula for calulating the required magnetising current for the CT =

[(IOP / CT Ratio) - IR] / n

Where,

IOP = Relay operating current (absolute current value in terms of CT primary)

IR = Relay setting current (in terms of CT secondary)

n = Number of parallel CTs forming (87) protected zone

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

06/20/2010 6:35 AM

Dear Sir,

so for PS class CTs how max we can burden it . please revert with answer.

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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers

05/29/2012 2:01 AM

Please note that the Knee point voltage of the ct is arrived only after knowing the Burden which is connected to the CT + the fault current + X/R at fault point etc

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