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What Ideal Tools and Toolbox Would be Yours?

11/15/2009 10:38 PM

Small fast, light and strong tools can make the difference between life and death.

The Tool Box is nearly as important as the Tools.

For all intents and purposes my car is nothing but a traveling tool box. The radio doesn't work and I have long given up driving for pleasure.

I knew Airplane Mechanics who had ramp rolling extravaganzas of tool boxes.

Quite a few were fitted with incredible sound systems.

In those cases the Craftsmen or Snap On Tool boxes were the professional standard.

Your tools and your toolbox for them will be different from mine. Why and what for are due to factors of interest, talent, and paying work.

What is it we all must have, and what is it only you can live without?

Where do you put it?

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11/15/2009 11:37 PM

I have been pulling wrenches professionally for almost 35 years (among other things). About 15 years ago my tool boxes were stolen. I felt like my hands had been cut off. Thankfully, the insurance company was there to replace my tools.

I had a rather extensive collection of DuroChrome tools, a company which had by that time gone to be with Pharaoh. The insurance adjuster informed me that they had an agreement with Snap-On Tools, and would those be an acceptable replacement? "YEAH!"

So now I have nearly ten thousand dollars worth of Snap-Ons and Craftsmans, which I (mostly) keep in three smaller toolboxes for the sake of portability. I also have a lot of other stuff, multi-meters, soldering gear, measuring tools, etc, that I would be quite bereft without. I've been known to wheel about a cart with a couple of toolboxes on top and found this to be quite efficient without sacrificing portability.

It seems to me that tool kits seem to grow over a course of years. My most recent addition was a Fluke meter that I bought at a pawn shop. So I would have to say that the perfect tool kit will absolutely depend on the man or woman who belongs to it.

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11/16/2009 11:11 AM

Damm how did I miss this one?

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I tend to end up with different sets in different places:

On my person a padded belt w/a small pouch.

tools for the pouch:

an all in one screw driver, it's important that the ends are different so they can be used as 1/4" & 5/16" nut drivers, must have a solid handle, my fav these days comes from home depot, has a square florecesent orange handle

a Klien flathead screwdriver/prybar/pointer/stethyscope

a 6" cresent wrench [needs to fit a 15/16" bolt]

needlenose pliers w/cutters [ok for most electrical work]

8" cresent brand channel locks, I like this brand, good value, riveted, makes a 1/2 assed hammer or wrench.

elkind metal handled fold up hex wrench.

with the above tools I may not be able to fix it, but I can make a good initial assesment.

The pouch is one of my own design. a cordura 2 pocket nail pouch w/4" nylon webbing sewed into the back of the top pocket to hold the tools, an extra spot for dealers choice. The bottom pocket usually has a couple of wirenut some blacktape & what ever nuts & bolts I need.

The belt is a nice wide padded one w/a plastic snap together buckle from when every company made us wear back braces...

my favorite pouch is a nicholson that slips over the belt, I usually slide it over the buckle for maximum comfort

I generally wear it on the left, but switch depending on the work.

The total weight is less than 3 pounds, much more than that & I take it off at every opportunity...

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11/16/2009 11:03 PM

I'm watching this topic and trying to think how to respond. I'm a tool junkie and have way more than I will ever need. Gotta think about what are my favorite tools. Like if I had to get rid of everything except what would fit in one small toolbox I could carry which ones would be there.......Maybe I'll make a list and reasons.......Ed Weldon

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11/16/2009 11:15 PM

I use a Filson "game bag" vest.

One pocket: 6" Crescent, 6" Vise-Grips, a clone of Garthh's screwdriver, 8" pipe wrench, refrigeration valve stem wrench, one each inch and metric folding hex key sets.

Other pocket: Sperry clamp-on multimeter, 16' tape measure, company radio, ad hoc items as needed.

Backup: a Knaack gang box full of stuff (piping, electrical, welding, sockets, cheapo battery tool set, good AC saw, drill, etc. The Milwaukee and Ridgid things are 30+ years old and still going strong.)

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11/16/2009 11:48 PM

My 1st post was for the minimum response time

This is just some random observations about tools I like

I like to have a good set of combo wrenches, except 7/16", 1/2" & 9/16" should be mis-matched & unique so I can pick em out quickly

I divide up the drawers on my tool boxes with 3/4" wood [usually oak pallet slats] & screw em in over some nice thick white drawer liner [none of that foam crap]. A set of deep impact 1/2" drive line up nice on one edge, easy to keep track of whats missing. I like to have the stuff I use a lot easy to put my hands on.

A set of cheap combo's is good so you can cut, bend or weld em into special tools.

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11/17/2009 12:12 AM

Concerning toolboxes; my choice for nearly 30 years has been the 7-drawer Kennedy roll-around tool box for my hand tools. I purchased the small Kennedy Machinist's chest when I was early in my apprenticeship (it was more than a week's pay then) and later purchased a nice Gerstner wooden toolmaker's chest and lower drawer section for all of my measuring tools when I was in my fourth year of apprenticeship. My weekly paycheques were much larger by that time!

My hand tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, etc.) trend to be Craftsman. I purchased most when I was an apprentice boy, and they were good quality tools that were made in the U.S.A. with a lifetime guarantee. Also, they were sold in sets that made them much cheaper per tool. Of course some of the tools included in these sets were a bit useless, and I still have those darned crow's foot wrenches for that I never found a purpose! Over the years a Snap-On or two has wiggled in, as have the occassional other brand. I still refuse to purchase hand tools manufactured in the Orient.

The collection of measuring tools began with those made by Brown & Sharpe and Starrett - expensive but the best in class for so many years. Then, there was a strike and the delivery and quality plummented. At that point I reluctantly purchased some instruments manufactured by Mitutoyo, and found them to be not only of excellent quality, but also a bit less in cost. I never purchased another tool made by Brown & Sharpe, although I occassionally purchase a tool made by Starrett as they still make tools that no one else does.

Thanks for the trip through nostalgia!

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11/17/2009 12:23 AM

Favourite tools are:

- large, flat, tapered-jawed, open-ended spanner with serrations to one side - will open any nut

- large "pied-de-biche" nail remover which you hammer till the head of the damn nail starts to come up and then pry out - works on any nail even hundreds of years old and handmade

- jack plane

- formwork hammer (large head, good claw, good balance)

- yankee screwdriver with all the available heads imaginable

I am on location at the moment otherwise I would put in a couple of photos.

You can't buy them in shops these days - or at least not easily.

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11/17/2009 12:35 AM

That Yankee screwdriver might make a good "what the hell is this?" photo, except for us old-timers. Throw in a breast drill for good measure! (No, it is not a biopsy device.)

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11/17/2009 1:54 AM

been using a Brace & bit to make a log fence pinned together with rebar

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11/17/2009 2:47 AM

Maybe a bit long winded here but I think there's some useful info ----

My favorite hand tools –

1. Screwdrivers top the list. I like the 1960's vintage Craftsman screwdrivers with the blue and red handles. The steel toughness is better than more recent products. That seems to hold for a lot of their tools. Also I like my Xcelite R104 screwdriver although its blade is a bit fragile for the size of the handle. I have a 60 year old Moody jeweler's screwdriver with a .020 x .100 blade. When the old plastic swivel end on the handle disintegrated recently I found and adapted a nice chrome plated steel replacement.

2. Pliers: A good 6" needle nose with fine tips that fit together well and a built in diagonal cutter.

High quality diagonal cutters. I have a miniature Proto spring open set that has held sharpness very well. My best large set, 7-1/2" with plastic coated handles dates back 40 years. The brand name is long worn away and there are two live wire hits in the blades. But they still cut nicely.

My old 10" Channel locks with the plastic coated handles. And then there are the cheap Dunlap 6" slip joint pliers from 50 years ago. Of all the numerous pliers of that particular type, some a good bit more expensive, that have drifted through my toolbox these have the nicest proportioned handles for gripping.

3. Adjustable wrenches: I like the old Crescent wrenches – my 8 and 10 " sizes get the most use.

4. Open end and box end wrenches. I like the 1950's –60's vintage Craftsman. You can find them at flea markets and automotive swap meets if you know what you are looking for. These box end wrenches have the slimmest profile of any such wrenches I've ever seen. Far superior to Snap-On. I've never broken one; but then I'm not physically very strong in my arms and hands.

5. Socket wrench sets. Again the 1950-60 Craftsman, with the exception of the ratchets. Same reasons as the open end box wrenches. Good steel = slimmer profiles and easier working in tight spaces. I prefer the modern finer pitch ratchets and lean toward some other brands that have looser ratchet springs.

6. Cutting tools – After I discovered Starrett hacksaw blades I was spoiled for anything else. Ditto Nicholson files. Ditto Wiss scissors. Ditto the old Xacto #11 blades. Ditto Cleveland drills, Greenfield taps and dies and anybody's 8% cobalt HSS drills.

7. Starrett: 93A and 93B tap wrenches; 240A and 240B pin vises; 269A and 269B taper leaf gauges.

8. Dial calipers. My old 7" Helios dial calipers accurate to .001 throughout the range (checked on my Pratt and Whitney Hoke gauge blocks.) These calipers sit in their leather case most of the time. My real discovery was my "beater" made in China 6" dial calipers that cost $15 and are good to maybe .004 at the high readings. But they get used all the time in my shop, even for wood work. I simply don't worry about hurting them. Not that I drop them on the floor. But they are just as liable to be in the middle of the pile of tools on the workbench as the wrenches and screwdrivers. And they don't have batteries that go dead or buttons you have to push to wake them up.

9. Hammers: I have a very nice 16 oz Stanley Nailmaster claw hammer with a forged steel rubber cushioned handle I found laying in the middle of the street 45 years ago. A short handled 10 oz ball pein hammer and a 2 lb pent roof blacksmith hammer make up my three favorites out of some 50 hammers of various types in my shop.

10. My Fluke 77 DVM with the plug in module that reads temperature from a Type K thermocouple.

11. Tape measures. Two favorites, one a 25 foot x 1" locking Stanley and the other an 8 foot x 3/8" Zippo that I carry on my pocket.

12. For me the jury is still out on cordless drills; but the one constant I really love is my Insti-bit chucks for the standard ¼" hex bits.

13. Bench vises – I've got 4 Wiltons and a favorite old 5" Craftsman. The most I ever paid for a bench vise was $65 for the 4-1/2" Wilton with the smooth machinist jaws I found in an electronic surplus store some 15 years ago. I recently found a 3" Wilton and swivel base at a car swap meet for $5.

A lot of my hand tools come from swap meets. It helps to know what you are looking at. Keep an eye open for the unusual stuff as well as the guy with the machinist tool box that belonged to a deceased relative. Go right by the beat up micrometers he wants $20 each for and dig into the drawers with the little tools in them that the seller doesn't recognize and hasn't put a price on. That's how I found the taper leaf gages and pin vises for like $3 each.

Favorite power tools?

An ancient drill press with a 2 speed washing machine motor and blocks of plywood to adjust height under the drill press vise.

14" Delta wood/metal band saw with the planetary gearbox that gets speed down to 50fpm. (most used power tool in my shop)

6" Atlas lathe with a 2 speed exercise machine motor and a 20 year collection of tooling including miniature quick change tool holders

Vertical mill Jet JVM 840 7" x 30" with R8 and 1-1/2 HP two speed 3 phase motor running off a 2hp idler motor fed by 230 volt single phase.

6 inch belt sander with hookup to the house built in vacuum cleaner and a 2-1/2 inch deep custom built fence.

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11/17/2009 4:35 AM

At work I keep a couple of small tool boxes with an assortment of sockets, spanners, screwdrivers etc. At home the shed holds a roll-cab & top-box plus various clamps, vices, grinder, drills etc. with several 'minor' toolboxes around the house. The car has a crate in the back with small socket set, spanners, mallet, etc. If I'm fireworking I just need an assortment of hammers, a wood-saw & a good knife. I recently bought a small hand sized rechargeable screwdriver which has been a gem & my latest buy was a USB digital microscope which I am still playing with.

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11/17/2009 8:32 AM

If I need something to carry around and get me out of most binds I like the Super Deluxe mini-ratchet set made by W.F.M.C. in Rockfall, CT 06481. Not sure if you can buy them directly from them, I get them from MSC. A little box that has metric and standard hex bits, multiple screwdriver tips, ratcheting and screwdriver handle.

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11/17/2009 8:48 AM

That's a handy looking set, available on Amazon.

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11/17/2009 11:56 AM

Definitely Duct Tape - The handyman's secret weapon!

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11/17/2009 12:50 PM

I often have to go out to repair various machines. I use one of the vinyl cases in the style of a suitcase and pack it with about 40 lbs of all that stuff you all have been mentioning. My most useful tool, though is a 16 oz hammer. In addition to the usual uses for the hammer, it allows you to turn other tools into impact tools. It is cheaper to abuse a tool and replace it later if it gets the job done, than spend an hour running to a hardware store to buy a larger screwdriver, wrench, chisel, or....

Yes, I abuse my tools occasionally, but in these cases time is money and if I carried every tool I could ever need, my poor little truck would be dragging its tail.

I also buy the best tools that China has to offer as I occasionally loose one and Snap-on tools are more painful to replace.

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11/17/2009 2:41 PM

I like a 3# ball peen with an oversized handle,

on the go trusty channel lock & Klien flathead, will take far more abuse than any vintage Craftsman screwdriver

There is no better side cutter than Klien blue handled [angled nose], I used to splice Stainless steel flatflex belting [10 gauge], never got dull, not very good for the ol carpal tunnel though.

For working on interlox plastic belting I gruond the jaws flat on a red set so I could cut the 1/4" pins off flush...

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11/17/2009 9:48 PM

Garth -- Good tip on the Klein diagonal cutters. Anybody want to comment on Klein? Do they make their tools in the USA or have they gone offshore also?

I don't trust most US brand names on new tools anymore unless I know they are using decent steel. Absolutely cannot trust hardenable steels of any kind coming out of China or India. Japan, Germany, Sweeden and the UK seem OK if they are small old companies. Spain, Poland, Czeck Republic and Croatia are a bit suspect; but seem to do pretty good on most simpler steel applications. Not sure about the Russians. Don't see any tooling out of there but I know some of them are pretty good steel metalllurgists. Just look at their combat aircraft.

Getting OT here. Anybody interested in starting a new topic on where the best steels for tools come from?

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11/18/2009 1:27 AM

trans asked about ideal tools, didn't he?

I'm looking at a pair of Klien strippers, it says USA on the rubber handles & on the metal too.

I'm not sure that means anything these days

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11/18/2009 9:19 AM

What few Klein Tools I've had, I liked, though I had more need of their specialized wire rope clamp pulling tool, than of normal things like side cutters. Was a rigging project.

Many things by Cooper Tools are of interest to me.

Milo may have some insight into which tools are now made with the best metals.

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11/17/2009 4:04 PM

My favourites are a set of imperial chisels given to me by my first set of in-laws 40 years ago, (got married very early) and a Stanley plane purchased about the same time.

Favourite electrical tool is my oscilloscope, a fluke 123 scope-meter.

As for tool boxes, I now use a rucksack tool bag with all the tools I need on a daily basis. My back won't take walking any distance with 15kg of tools on one side. A trolley would sort of work but how do you get that up a gang plank?

A sad day about 10 yrs ago when some little sH1T broke into my tool shed and stole a few basic tools and a pair of box joint needle nose electronics pliers given to me second hand by my dad. I hardly ever used them but they were the only bit of him I had left.

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11/18/2009 10:11 AM

I've been carrying around a military canvas tool bag for over 30 years. It was originally my helicopter traveling tool bag and holds all the tools sufficient to deal with about 90% of the problems likely to be encountered while away from home base. I should also mention that it weighs over 20 lbs and it's usually packed beyond closing the zipper.

Wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3/8" deepwell socket set, 1/4" boxed socket set, 8" pipe wrench, vice grips, channel locks. What else could you possibly need? Oh, yeah, also a cold chisel.

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I'm still using the canvas bag I had when I was a boy scout, that must be 45 years ago. The bag was 2nd hand ex army when I got it. The stitching is starting to go but it is still useful.

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11/18/2009 10:48 AM

Nigh -- Your canvas bag stitching suggests mention of the Stewart speedy stitcher.

http://www.speedystitcher.com/

I've seen some import knockoffs of these tools; but given that you can break the needles in some kinds of heavy work I'd only trust the real thing. I've used a cordless drill and a small bit around 3/32 dia to make holes in material I couldn't easily or safely push the needle through.

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Cool!! I guess I've got about 5-10 years before I can expect my canvas bag to start wearing out, then.

By, then, I won't care.

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11/20/2009 11:08 PM

The best tool is my 4" crescent wrench that has been my pocket for 30+ years. It will go to 9/16 and does more then the 2 full sets of tool boxes I have.

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11/21/2009 10:10 AM

I had one of those crescent wrenches myself for years.

Don't ever lend it to anyone.

When I worked as a stage hand or film technician I'd carry that wrench, a good utility knife, and short nose wire snips for cutting trickline more quickly than you might with a knife.

I never did really settle on a great flashlight, but have a led headband sort now. Tried little Maglights, but the bulbs fell out of mine often.

Tying in and balancing for stage concerts was not as hard as for film.

Most any lousy meter would do.

I preferred my old analog Amprobe and a set of T handle Hex wrenches.

For Carpentry I ended up just using a plastic sheetrock bucket to carry hand tools and the belt and pouches. Advantage of the Bucket is that when you throw the pouches in they tend to capture stray nails which otherwise may end up in your tires.

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11/21/2009 10:56 AM

I had a friend [died a couple of months ago] who used bucket buddy [bucket pouches].

He mounted some skateboard wheels on a chunk of diamond plate aluminum, with a folding handle.

He was an electrician & mostly worked doing termination in industrial control panels, so he even carried a padded lid for those extended stints on manlifts or in panels.

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11/21/2009 2:11 PM

I tried a bucket pouch thingy, but it didn't work out for me.

One time I did make a triangular three wheeled sandbag cart that I could pull around on a rope.

It had steering superiority over a rectangular furniture dolly sort of thing.

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11/21/2009 2:53 PM

That's why the skate board wheels, when you tilted it with the handle it would turn. with The fold up handle it would roll under conveyors

he always carried way more tools than he needed, liking his toys & couldn't live out of a smaller device

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11/21/2009 3:19 PM

They are not toys!

I swear I need every single thing here! -and more I tell you, more and better!

10 tons of stuff and I still never had all I needed, or anybody wanted sometimes.

P.S. I did often keep a couple of toys in my kit. Mostly rocket kits, and a bb gun. But that was only when I had the big truck.

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11/21/2009 3:38 PM

What's funny is having all the cool tools & finding yourself bashing a big screwdriver with a rock, cause you can't find 1 of the 37 hammers you own

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11/21/2009 8:10 AM

My wife bought me a Metwrench set years back. I carried it around in my car and found it a very handy tool set. Add a good pair of Channel-Lock 9 1/2 in pliers, 7in diaginol cutters, and my Gerber Gator-Mate knife, and I'm ready to Mac Giver (spelling?) about anything.

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11/21/2009 5:31 PM

As I think on it, there are a couple of tools I use more than any others.

One is a Snap-On 10" adjustable wrench, which is a thing of beauty. Precisely machined and capable of delivering more torque than most any other wrench I've ever seen. That is the wrench I keep in my pocket.

Then I have a Crescent brand 7 in 1 screwdriver that I found a couple of years ago in a bush, and gets more use than any other screwdriver I have.

And, I have a Buck 110 folding knife that was a gift from my wife ten years ago, that I use more than any other single tool.

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11/21/2009 6:40 PM

I do not have a wallet.

I carry all my cards in a bullclip in my front pocket.

For cash I use a Gerber knife as a moneyclip.

Three young women got me real drunk one night and I lost my Kiss knife moneyclip somewhere that night.

I was hanging out with three young women and went to the washroom.

"Your wife called."

"Where is he?"

"He went to the bathroom." "Tell him I want a divorce when he gets back."

Somehow I lost all my money and my knife that night.

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