Opinions Wanted: Cedarshield Petri-Wood (Permatek)

This product has been previously discussed here.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/42547/The-new-chicken-soup

and partly here

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/42443/Preserving-Freshly-Cut-Lumber-Permanently

You'll get a better response if you bother to register

It has nanotechnology; must submit to and obey ad copy , I pledge my life to you Cedarshield as our new silvan oleo overlord.

The Cedarsheild product you have been testing has been discussed on this and many other websites on numerous occasions. This being said, we have also put it through its paces with extreme testing on all types of wood in all types of conditions. We have treated wood then aged it through stages of up to an equivalent of forty years. We have submerged the treated wood within pressurized water vessels and we have tested its effectiveness in simulated extreme weather conditions. Our results overall have been quite remarkable and to date, they do corroborate all of the so called "Too good to be true claims" published by the manufacturer. The base formulation of cedar oil we all know protects wood from both decay and insects. However, it would appear that the magic of this product is obtained from the formulation of the carrier/s, the hydroxyl molecular structure and possible the quartz derivatives, the way they have been blended and perhaps the way they have been constructed. The Cedarshield fluid most certainly penetrates wood like nothing else we have tested. It goes all the way through and does restore full dimensional and structural stability. It quite literally dries the very fabric of the timber and it does line the capillaries and seal them with the silanes, just as it states. The overall results do appear to be of a permanent nature and in our own investigations, all treated samples have remained completely impervious to any ingress or penetration of moisture or water. The treated wood was found to be slightly lighter in weight and stronger in structure. It was also found to become more buoyant when placed in water. Even the claims that insects will not harm the treated timber appear to be well founded, basically as the dried and sealed wood has neither appeal or attraction to them. With no moisture and full dimensional stability, it is natural to expect no issues to ever arise from wood rot, fungal decay and all the other forces that can cause deterioration in an external environment. We have recently discussed our studies with technical staff from Cedarshield North America and concur with their explanations and test results. In summary, their all natural fluid is definitely one of most advanced and most comprehensive timber treatments encountered to date. It is understandable that the demand for this type of product has continued to grow at such a rapid rate. Hope this help you.

Not that I am going to build a wooden boat, but it sounds as if this stuff would be good to treat the wood used to build a wooden boat.

What bullsh*t! " We have also ascertained that the capillaries, fibricidal chambers and molecular structure throughout the wood were completely lined and sealed by the Silanes and hydroxyl tail drops."

Get a life lumberman!

When I Googled "fibricidal chambers" here's all that came back:

1. CR4 - Thread: Some facts to discuss behind the Cedarshield Timber ...1 post - Last post: yesterdayWe have also ascertained that the capillaries, fibricidal chambers and molecular structure throughout the wood were completely lined and ...
   cr4.globalspec.com/.../Some-facts-to-discuss-behind-the-Cedarshield-Timber-Treatment - Cached
2. CR4 - Thread: Some facts to discuss behind the Cedarshield Timber ...5 posts - 3 authors - Last post: 2 days agoWe have also ascertained that the capillaries, fibricidal chambers and molecular structure throughout the wood were completely lined and ...
   cr4.globalspec.com/.../Some-facts-to-discuss-behind-the-Cedarshield-Timber-Treatment?... - Cached
3. CR4 - Thread: Some facts to discuss behind the Cedarshield Timber ...5 posts - 3 authors - Last post: yesterdayWe have also ascertained that the capillaries, fibricidal chambers and molecular structure throughout the wood were completely lined and ...
   cr4.globalspec.com/thread/47284 - Cached

I'm not going to bother with "hydroxyl tail drops"

I'm not going to bother with "hydroxyl tail drops"

I came up with a grand total of one hit on Google.

• ... fibricidal chambers and molecular structure throughout the wood were completely lined and sealed by the Silanes and hydroxyl tail drops. ... Cr4.globalspec.com/.../Some-facts-to-discuss-behind-the-Cedarshield-Timber-Treatment

I feel very special to be part of a select crowd for which new terminology is invented.

Do these people do this to sabotage their own business? I am sure that there are some reasonable claims that would make people consider using this product and their others. However, I will now avoid all these products like the plague. Does Lumberman work for Thompson's, and is he trying to discredit Cedarshield?

I'm gone. See ya.

Lumberman isn't bright enough to post up a few bogus wiki entries?

I am gonna say that in my past job there were things only found in a very few select books, as jargon or terminology for a certain field. And I was unable to find anything about them on the internet through google. It was possible through other digging and searching to get definitions on what I was looking for but it was tough. Google isn't always the catch all find all.

Try googling:

"Moronic bumblism"

It's amazing that

a) something really comes up when I Google that

three) I actually tried it

#) I admit it, and

omega) I still have work to do.

It is in Commercial Space. I will allow it. I am skeptical.

This is a known tactic.

In advertising the rule is that great advertising will destroy a bad product.

CR4 is not a great place to mess around for most of us veterans are somewhat skeptical.

Some of us are experienced.

In fact even my dumbass self has been in plants that pushed arsenic and copper into pine and have seen the sort of equipment needed to be worn so work didn't kill you that day.

Stupid snakes that crawled in through holes in the rusted floor of the metal building left their skeletons.

It would appear that Cedarshield and Petri-Wood are targeting CR4 for hard target soft method modern internet marketing.

Having been around the alternatives I suppose I hope the stuff is better.

Having worked with Pressure Treated Wood, full of Arsenic, and Copper knowing that my kidneys and liver are likely compromised from dust, or that Marina experience, well I hope the stuff is better all around, though it sure is hard to believe from what I know that you can just paint it on, and get what is claimed.

Live in Hope, Die in Vain!

The first thing that caught my eye was claiming it was used on wood in Egypt and how it lasted for decades and centuries. Egypt (the area where the petrified wood is found) is a dry climate and the wood would naturally be petrified. This claim came from Robert M. Littlejohn MBA BSc FISMM, President, Cedarshield North America, The Natural Revolution. I informed him of the AWPA standards and that he needs to get his product approved for use through the AWPA. He hasn't spoke to me since. Go figure!

If it was as stated, these manufacturers and sellers would be petitioning the AWPA for approval and provide scientific data to support their claims and possibly even pay the extra money to have it fast tracked (the AWPA does not charge a fee to approve a substance. It does charge to fast track a substance.)

Scams come up every where! These people are no different.

I don't work for Cedarcide but I know some of the people. Met them when I stopped by the store in Spring TX. I'm a chainsaw carver. I carved their logo in 3d from a big cedar log in trade for some product. See www.carvedwonders.com bottom of "Chainsaw Works" page. Best I can tell the product works. My scientific evidence: two bears carved from the same log, one treated one untreated. Both show minor surface cracking during the "torching" step, where I burn the edges with a flamethrower prior to sanding. One day later, the untreated bear gets bigger cracks, the treated bear doesn't. For my application the product works. BTW, I found this site by googling cedarcide looking for rthe ecommended drying time prior to varnishing a piece. BTW2 couldn't find it, anybody know?

"BTW, I found this site by googling cedarcide ..."

That's interesting - you must've borrowed the Krisdel™ Time Machine. Before I posted this, your post was the only place on CR4 that "cedarcide" was mentioned.

Now you may've been thinking cedarshield but accidentally typed cedarcide (twice) - but what was it you typed for your google search?

I was wondering if this product could be used to coat bamboo for emergency shelter in Haiti.

This is getting a bit out of order, I think.