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Real "Green" requires looking at the big picture.

02/01/2007 1:40 PM

All too often, well meaning politicians respond to environmental concerns by rushing in with legislation encouraging technologies without properly considering the big picture. In this case, the EU responded with subsidies to encourage the use of palm oil as a replacement for fossil fuels in order to reduce the potential for global warming. The result was the opposite of their "well meaning" intentions with huge amounts of CO2 released in the process.

From A NY Times article:

Once a Dream Fuel, Palm Oil May Be an Eco-Nightmare By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL Published: January 31, 2007

"AMSTERDAM, Jan. 25 — Just a few years ago, politicians and environmental groups in the Netherlands were thrilled by the early and rapid adoption of "sustainable energy," achieved in part by coaxing electrical plants to use biofuel — in particular, palm oil from Southeast Asia.

Spurred by government subsidies, energy companies became so enthusiastic that they designed generators that ran exclusively on the oil, which in theory would be cleaner than fossil fuels like coal because it is derived from plants.

But last year, when scientists studied practices at palm plantations in Indonesia and Malaysia, this green fairy tale began to look more like an environmental nightmare.

Rising demand for fuel derived from plants has brought about the clearing of huge tracts of Southeast Asian rainforest for palm plantations."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31biofuel.html?ex=157680000&en=0e1a01cb17368f0b&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

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Re: Real "Green" requires looking at the big picture.

02/02/2007 7:21 AM

This is similar to countries in the EU exporting 700,000TE of waste paper and plastic to china for recycling. How much additional energy is consumed, and how much waste is again produced?

We do need to look at the big picture; there will always be an input of fossil fuels required at some stage to get the ball rolling. But in restricting this, we need to look a materials that are reprocessible by nature (long term) and not industrial processes alone.

It is not just a industrial or political legislation we need, but a life style change.

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02/02/2007 4:01 PM

Thanks for the contribution.

I agree totally.

As we find ways to incorporate the "environmental cost" into products and processes this will happen all the faster. Of course, as in all human endeavors, there will be missteps along the way, but by and large we will move in the right (necessary to our continued survival) direction.

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03/17/2007 12:12 PM

I couldn't agree more. Most politicians, not just high profiled ones, seem to relate to politics more as "show business" than a deep personal commitment to the benefit of humanity. A career opportunity, not a mission.

This leads to adopting short-sighted "glamorous" decisions, spreading "cool" sounding phrases and other such sound-bites, and movie-star gestures. Show-Business.

This is not something "American" or "European", you can see it adopted world wide. You would see for instance, top Israeli politicians make formal receptions to American movie stars as if these have some influence or say in domestic or foreign affairs effecting Israeli policies. On the rare occasions asked what is the relevance of these receptions the would reply something to the effect of: "Like us (politicians that is), they (movie stars) are social trend setters"

The question one asks themselves is: What the heck can you do?

A politician today is a Logo. It is a hollow persona built by a committee of advisers, which later on put an artificial out-of-context fountain of slogans spewing out of "his" mouth.

I say "his", because it's not even him for real. It's a designer-made persona. What can you expect?

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