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Gaseous Fuels in Spark Ignition & Compression Ignition Automotive Engines

03/19/2010 6:38 AM

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Please can anyone tell me the technical problems that may arise from using gaseous fuels in Spark-ignition & compression ignition automotive engines?

Also, i would also like to know the environmental aspects of automotive engine emissions from both liquid and gaseous fuels.

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Re: Use of gaseous fuels in Spark-ignition & compression ignition automotive engines

03/19/2010 6:59 AM

<...technical problems...>

Safe storage of gases under pressure within a vehicle that might become involved in a road collision is one factor. There are ways of overcoming it. Hydrogen, for example, can be stored as solid metal hydrides instead of as a gas or liquid.

<...environmental aspects...>

Hydrocarbon fuels give the same issues no matter whether liquid or gaseous. Hydrogen fares better, as the only waste product is its oxide, water/steam.

Is that a start?

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03/19/2010 7:28 AM

It sure is! Thanks a lot.

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03/20/2010 8:27 AM

I've always wondered about the statement "only water is emitted". Gasoline does not contain significant nitrogen, yet oxides of nitrogen are emitted from gas (and diesel) engines. They are formed endothermically due to the high temperature/pressure combustion. Why wouldn't hydrogen, which I would expect to burn hotter than petroleum-based fuels not also result in NOx production?

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03/19/2010 12:03 PM

In the simpler terms every type of fuel has its specific characteristics to where and how it burns for the greatest efficiency in an IC engine. Some require high compression to work well and others require low compression to work well.

A liquid fuel needs different methods of being supplied and metered into the engine than a vapor fuel does. Its a very complicated subject and is impossible to put in to a short and simple answer.

There are countless variable due to the physics, chemistry and mechanics of how each fuel is handled and burned in the engine. To further complicate things most fuels have political based issues associated with the end byproducts of the combustion processes as well which further complicated things over all and usually has a large negative impact on the efficiency of the fuel in actual use and aplication as well.

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03/19/2010 11:52 PM

Propane is a very common fuel for industrial trucks, especially those used indoors. Fork Lifts, tow motors, donkeys, tugs, personnel carriers and other such units are often propelled by propane.

It burns much more completely that gasoline and diesel and has has far less objectionable polutants. It also does not wear the engine as much as gasoline will.

It is also used in automobiles and local delivery trucks.

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Re: Gaseous Fuels in Spark Ignition & Compression Ignition Automotive Engines

03/20/2010 10:26 AM

Hi scorpiohams,

You've raised an interesting issue here especially with the use of gaseous fuel in compression ignition engines. I've not heard of it being used commercially because of the inability to control the point at which ignition will occur. The fuel is usually introduced at very high pressure at the end of the compression cycle ,ie injected in atomised form if a liquid.

If you simply try compressing an equivalentair/fuel mixture from a spark ignition set-up, to the level used in traditional compression engines it will detonate somewhere during the compression process with potentially disastrous effects on the engine. However, there are hybrid diesels where the gas/ air mixture used is too weak to combust of its own accord and to initiate combustion a small quantity of fuel oil is injected to start the burning of the whole charge. This process is used by some large medium and slow speed gas/oil engines, 2000kW and upwards; the cylinder heads are specially designed with high turbulation ante-chambers into which the oil fuel is sprayed.

As has already been said gaseous hydrocarbon fuels do tend to burn cleaner with less CO being left than their petroleum counterparts.

The production of oxides of nitrogen is a feature of the flame temperature and Exhaust Gas Recycling (EGR) is employed on many automotive engines to reduce the temperature to a point which suppresses the formation of the NOx. This is controlled by the Engine Management System and is a complex function which responds to many inputs.

The change to gaseous fuel will require the engine management system to be reprogrammed (or re-chipped).

Hope this helps,

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03/20/2010 11:09 AM

You've all been very helpful. Thank you so much.

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03/20/2010 3:23 PM

The grossly over-simplified answer is that gaseous fuels are easy to feed to spark ignition engines -- thus there are loads of natural gas buses, propane-powered fork lift trucks etc. Generally, mixture is controlled by a device that works somewhat like a carburetor, metering air and fuel in a gas-to-gas ratio, by volume, although mass-to-mass is used as well. Generally, the gases are cleaner burning than petrol. The drawback is the size and weight of tanks.

In compression-ignition engines, the fuel is best metered as a liquid, because of the high injection pressure required to overcome compression pressure. There are other issues as well, such as whether the injected liquid phase gas will self-ignite when vaporized. The most common gas fed into diesels is propane, which is fed as a gas into the intake airstream, and can accelerate combustion of the main fuel, which remains diesel fuel. The timing remains under control of the diesel fuel injection, because the propane does not self-ignite.

The environmental aspects are much too broad to generalize. They can be related to the environmental cost of mining/producing the fuel... all the way to the tailpipe emissions -- and just those two aspects can be complicated. Hydrogen, for example, appears to be clean burning, (although hydrogen-powered internal combustion engines do put out NOx emissions) but the commercially viable production means is from reforming of methane -- a process which gives off CO2. BMW is the only manufacturer who has supplied more than one or two prototypes of a hydrogen burning (spark ignition) car, and if you looked at the whole process of getting the H2 into the tank, and the large losses of H2 if the car sits unused (all the fuel boils off in about two weeks), you'd be environmentally further ahead to fuel it with gasoline, and further ahead yet to drive a diesel-powered version.

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03/20/2010 10:17 PM

There is a fundamental requirement for efficient combustion and maximum developed power--proper timing of ignition of and rate of combustion.

With 'spark ignition', it is easy to control the ignition of the flame front, and mechanical details of combustion chamber shape and intake valve shape ,shrouds,etc. are used to improve rate of burn characteristics with good success.

Spark ignition engines, until this year, have always had vapor fuel-air mixtures ingested through the intake valve system, seeking uniform mixtures. 'Direct Injection' of LIQUID gasoline at very high pressure (>25,000 psi) in the latest engine technology achieves significantly better fuel economy with stratified fuel-air ratios.

Texaco conducted a lot of research for 'multi-fueled' engines for the U.S. Army in the late 60's-early 70's. The stratified charge , direct injection engine would perform well on anything liquid--from gasoline to jet fuel to No 2 diesel. The objective was to simplify logistics of fuel supply for military vehicles.

Compression ignition engines inject liquid fuel as a very fine spray (fog) into the very hot compressed air, where it starts burning, with fuel injection continuing for a significant time. The injected fuel is completely burned AS IT IS INJECTED, and there in no fuel vapor-air mixture as in a spark ignition engine. The initiation of burning and rate of burning is still very important. Mistiming fuel ignition of even 1 degree of crankshaft rotation significantly impacts power output and fuel economy. Therefore , the time between start of fuel injection and start of burning (called Ignition Delay) is an important fuel characteristic. That property is called 'Cetane Number', with higher Cetane meaning less ignition delay and therefore better power and economy, smoother operation, less smoke etc. The ignition delay property is almost the opposite of what is desirable for spark ignition fuels, where one desires the fuel to NOT self ignite until there is a spark, AND to resist auto-ignition in advance of the flame front sweeping the combustion chamber. We call that detonation if the self ignition is after the spark ignition, but label it 'pre-ignition' if it begins before the spark. Pre-ignition causes very high stress on pistons and bearings and can destroy an engine in seconds.

Thus optimum injection (and ignition) timing for compression ignition engines depends heavily on fuel characteristics, with the most paraffinic (waxy) fuels the best, and aromatic fuels the less desirable from ignition delay perspective. It would be very complicated to vary the moment of fuel injection start to adjust for ignition delay characteristics of a fuel with mechanical fuel injection. The latest electronically controlled 'common rail' diesel injection systems would be very easy to control IF one could figure out how to detect excessive 'fuel knock' that results from longer injection delay periods. This results in more fuel in the combustion chamber and burns near instantly when ignition starts, causing a much higher pressure than normal, which we can hear as a knock, but is difficult for instrumentation to pick out of the inherent combustion noise and vibration.

In summary, it is very problematic to feed a compression ignition engine a fuel-air mixture through an intake valve system and achieve reliable and accurate ignition timing without a spark. Gaseous fuels are much more resistant to self ignition from the heat than are kerosene and diesel fuels.

Also, the power output of a compression ignition engine is controlled only by the amount of fuel injected. The intake air is not throttled and there is always a vast surplus of air, which would be too 'lean' to burn as a vapor mixture under all but highest power requirements. If one throttles intake air, the compressed air temperature in the cylinder is much lower , too low to ignite the fuel.

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03/20/2010 11:14 PM

Very good answer.

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03/21/2010 6:13 AM

Hi KEB,

An interesting and informative response. If I may I add a little to the topic of lets call it knock management.

A couple of decades ago when high speed base load gas engines were being developed for use on gas with widely varying and unreliable cetane values it became apparent that to avoid knocking under any circumstances required either a crystal ball or a dynamic monitoring system controlling the spark ignition timing. Some manufacturers took the easy route and ended up with heavily derated and inefficient set-ups;whereas at least a couple opted for the monitoring of the knock condition. One such manufacturer, Jenbacher of Austria, developed a highly effective seismic detection system with sensors (one per bank of cyclinders) connected via a PLC to the relevant ignition amplifiers. This enabled instantaneous adjustment of the timing to be carried out on a real time basis with correction both forward and backwards from an initial timing point. The effect of this improved the performance of their engines and increased the life of the cylinder components and bearings.

The Ricardo people have long experimented with a wide range of fuel variants and as far back as WW2 were trying to 'screw' the last HP out of the Merlin engine where the combination of altitude and fuel quality were limiting factors in getting the best out of those power plants. If only micro-processor technology had been available to them what would they have got out of that fabulous machine?

Good chat and have a GA Thank you.

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03/21/2010 1:45 PM

If only micro-processor technology had been available to them what would they have got out of that fabulous machine?

And now, even the cheapest econocars have knock sensing and dynamic timing control, with things like variable valve timing becoming the norm.

Completely off topic (related in only the vaguest way): I talked to my brother yesterday on Skype. There are numerous conversions involved, and both he and I use DSL, so our Internet comes in through lines that still could be handling the call in a very direct analog-to-analog fashion. This sort of thing can get really absurd when you email an attachment from one computer in a house to another: there is no guarantee that the entire attachment even gets to the other computer by the same route -- and that route may be across hundreds of miles of telephone lines.

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04/09/2010 4:56 PM

Good answer KEB

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