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Induction Motor Voltage & RPM

06/24/2010 11:18 AM

There is a nameplate of 37 KW Induction motor

380 V, 50 Hz, 80.1 A, 2850 RPM, P.F 0.87

400 V, 50 Hz, 77.9 A, 2870 RPM, P.F 0.84

415 V, 50 Hz, 76.8 A, 2880 RPM, P.F 0.82

Why with the Increase of Voltage

RPM increases?

Power Factor Decreases?

In text (Electrical Machines) I have seen no relation which directly describe relation between speed and Voltage applied ?

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Re: Induction Motor Voltage & RPM

06/24/2010 11:57 AM

Added torque with higher V/Hz ratio against the same amount of inertia results in slight differences in slip. Notice that the PF is going down at the same time.

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06/24/2010 12:21 PM

I have hardly seen a motor nameplate has such three voltage ranges. Anyway here is your answer.

With the increase of voltage, why RPM increases?

The torque developed by the motor is directly proportional to motor terminal the voltage. In the torque-speed characteristics curve of the motor, the torque curve moved upward with the increase of voltage and the motor full load torque intersects to the torque curve at slightly right of the new elevated torque curve (see the D point of the torque-speed curve from link below), which means with the same full load torque, the motor runs at higher speed.

See http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_understanding_induction_motor

With the increase of voltage, why Power Factor Decreases?

With higher voltage at the motor terminal, the flux density increases and hence it draws more magnetizing current (the reactive component of the current) compared to the real component of current. Higher magnetizing current component causes lower power factor.

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06/29/2010 11:25 AM

My PC packed up after i gave a GA to you. Then i forgot till i saw the Cowern link again, thanks

More Cowern papers for the benefit of others who may see this post....

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06/24/2010 12:43 PM

i am perplexed.... √3*V*I* cos φ gives me ~45 kW at all three voltages .. first time i have seen three rated voltages too...

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06/24/2010 12:59 PM

Whatever U have calculated is the input power ( Electrical) (P in = 1.732 *V *I*P.F) to the Induction motor. Motor Nameplate mentioned power is always the Mechanical Power (Output of I M).

If we introduce efficiency to the Input Power (1.732 *V *I*P.F*Efficiency),we have Mechanical or Nameplate mentioned Power of the motor. For 380 V case efficiency is approximately 80.7 %.

"first time i have seen three rated voltages too..."

In Low KW rating ( Up to 7.5 KW) I have even seen many motors mentioning three voltages. The present motor is Water Pump Motor made by Franklin Electric and its Model no is 2366186033. If U doesn't agree I even gave more examples if U wish

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06/24/2010 8:14 PM

If course. How stupid of me.Thank you.

As another post says, this three voltage ratings is a good idea.

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06/24/2010 3:51 PM

Mmmm!

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Power factor improves with lower voltage and drops sharply with high voltage.Now see the below picture

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06/24/2010 7:28 PM

The triple-rated nameplate seems like a good idea. It answers in advance if the motor is suitable for modestly different voltages, and probably makes the motor more widely marketable.

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06/29/2010 9:22 AM

hi..I think there is a formula in your electrical machine text book E = k*flux*speed ; Please review your text

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Re: Induction Motor Voltage & RPM

06/30/2010 6:13 AM

There is no direct relation between speed and voltage, but there is a direct relation between Torque and speed (well known Torque/ Speed Characteristics of IMs). Torque is a function of power input to the motor which in turn is a function of voltage applied to the motor. That may explain why speed increase with increase in voltage. Normally IMs are considered constant speed motors with very small speed variation (Slip) from no load to full load. By increasing the terminal voltage, the motor may be trying to approach synchronous speed. In this case to 3000 rpm.

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