Does India Have Enough Engineers to Fix Infrastructure?

Yes lots.

Yes, because of the higher saleries in IT, new generation brightest prefer software engineering to civil. (Now with recent recession in IT industry, the trend is bit diluted). But I do not think that there is shortage of civil engineers in India. The not so bright go to civil engineering, thus there is shortage of quality of civil engineers.

With sooooo many engineering collages the output of all sorts of engineers is ample in India. This is what I think... No statistical actual information is available with me, to be frank.

you are right. I have also seen civil engineering batches getting full. reason may be anything... but students go for it.

but the real problem is, how many of them actually work in this field? my friend in civil took admission reluctantly as there was no any other option available. but he did many courses of computer engineering. and now finally he is doing M.B.A !

we do have sooooo many engineering colleges but then we have equal number of management institutes also. and many software companies take civil, mech engineers for programming here.

so one can any time change field after engineering...

I think there is shortage of quality and quantity both..

but eventually , like some years before, there will be great demand for civil again.

If you are civil engineer and have greed then work in infrastruture project in India. I have not seen a single project still till my stay more than 30% of actual money went in constructure or repair of infrastruture.

Money is distributed from elected state and central representative to engineers and their staff. Contractor also needs 30% cut on the return of investment.

If you do math then a honest contractor will put only 30% in the actual infrastruture rest is pocketed.

Good and honest engineers just left country and enjoying life in other part of the world and same guys are creating things which is non doable in India because of the cluture we are in

Here's my take and please don't flame me...

Judging by my experience in hiring Indian people for various roles and most (not all) of the questions posted here...(here goes)...Young Indian people are lazy, ignorant, and think too highly of oneself. It is a lot easier to learn IT than having to go out to construction sites to supervise their designs. It is a lot harder to get to top management positions in civil than it is in IT. For the record I'm not a civil eng.

Also from my personal judgment i would hate to think that those types (again, not all) would design roads, bridges, infrastructure, etc where other people life is at risk. Errors in calculation on software will (in most cases) not physically hurt anyone, but even the smallest error in civil eng could result in disaster. Thankfully their is a shortage of "good" civil engineers...maybe they recognize this themselves and are staying clear of it...

Ok...now flame me.

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No flame from me, but did you read the article? One young degreed civil engineer (CE) worked in his field of training (CE) for a year. He then switched to IT and tripled his salary. Combine this apparent wage discrepancy with civil engineering job salaries being set by a bureaucracy hierarchy that will guarantee raises to one day be better that an IT salary and I'm surprised that they can get anyone formally trained as a CE to stay in field.

Now this is just one (likely well researched) newspaper account on the lack of civil engineers. I'm glad that a few of our Indian members have added there two rupees to this story.

Agreed - The poster was rude and a coward with little knowledge of what he was talking about.

My engineering team engineered, erected and started up complete projects (iron ore direct reduction) from the ground up with zero assistance. The projects ran from 150 million to 300 million USD.

I had some very bright kids working for me plus the kids are very hard working.

GA

I am always of the opinion of not allowing guests (except one Mr. Guest), who are many time rude, take advantage of their No-Identity status.

Thanks kramarat

GA

Do we we do same thing here. Are you going to send your kid if you have option to go to Harved University and do a degree in Law or you will like him to go to community college.

Our family value is based on greed of green and kids see which degree will have more return on the investment and kids goes and completes that degree of they have ability to do. Selection of college is based on enterence examination which is LSAT for law and MSAT for doctor and goes on.

If your kids gets admisson in medecine are you going to ask him to go to liberal arts and your answer will be No.

We are lucky in US since we can bring sharpest from around globe in the area of Technology to medecine and fill the position which is otherwise empty. You talk lazy go and look in the work force who is productive irrespective to inductry or educational system.

You will come out with one answer and that is Indian as engineer and Pakistanis as doctors.

We are not able to fill our opening with hard working qualified engineers or doctor from local pool and end up issuing greencard, work visa at technological end to India and at labor end to Mexico because both are hard working people

All this talk about people being sharp - you might try to work on your spelling a bit - it is about as bad as I have ever seen - even on the net where lousy spelling is the norm.

Same for grammar!

I do agree. Not interested to go check out or correct the spelling

And you complain about guest being offensive and rude?

In my early education the policy was all examiners in all subjects were to deduct half a mark for each spelling error.

Result was, I failed a math exam by 23 marks, when the 'consolidated pass mark' was 23. Yes, I scored zero.

I had much the same problem with physics and chemistry - yet seldom missed more than one answer. On one occasion, I was the only one to correctly answer 'the bonus question' in physics, across the State. (of course, they, then 'consolidated the results out of 80, and though I had everything else right, ended on 95% as a result of 10 spelling errors)

Naturally, when they dropped the spelling penalty practice, I went from bottom 20 in the school, to Dux.

Now, I like my spelling to be correct. I like seeing the red underlining of most every word in my posts disappear.

But maybe what you could do is teach him how to work the spell check, not dismiss the content of his posts on such an anally bias pretext?

I have worked with engineers from India and I have the most respect for them.

As for as your comment; Young Indian people are lazy, ignorant, and think too highly of oneself. I worked with American engineers that fit that to a tee.

When you say that is your personal judgement........I can see that you have little to no experience in the matter, or you should not be in the recruiting position yourself.

As a guest.........your comments have not let me down.

p011

May I request you to open your identity and your country? Many members here are capable of providing with the information about your country which you may not be knowing (in fact will be knowing).

But majority are decent people they will not provide you the (bad)information about your country.

If you see my posts, you will see I have criticized my own countrymen many times (thats my right), but never said anything to others naming their country.

I don't know about India, though I run into people from India fairly frequently. Sometimes think culturally they run off in too many directions at once, which is something I have been faulted for myself, so I have some sympathy.

I hear there is a good amount of street level corruption. Not so much of that in the US where typically corruption is legalized by big corporations and ends up as a "tax".

In fact the history of record distribution and radio play in the US parrallels the US culture of manipulations and corruptions. All was "reformed" so what resulted was individual DJs weren't paid to play certain records on the radio, but only the station managers and owners got the money.

In general I suspect if Engineers in India, or anywhere else gravitate towards low stress high paying secure jobs, it's because their parents told them hard work does not necessarily pay well.

If in India working for software companies pays more and is better, why not let them do that and just hire US Civil Engineers who are more likely to like to do that sort of engineering?

Yah know from my point of view its like how nobody thinks its weird if you call a plumber when the toilet and the shower and the whole house water system goes to hell. We'd have a happier world overall if everybody on macro and micro levels were just dealing with the problems without prejudice towards one nationality or another.

Course there is a contradiction in what I just wrote, for part of the point is some nations have sets of skills and people with those skills that make it better to hire some from that nation, than from your own labor pool.

In the end things do cost what they cost, and take what they take.

Here on CR4 I have read of Engineers being offered jobs in India when their jobs were being "out sourced" to India. The offer demanded that the engineers take pay same as given to the Indian engineers in Indian money, effectively trapping them in India. What with family ties like my mother, or my wife's mother, that would be a hard deal to take.

In my own case as a movie set technician the case is that there is work in Ballywood, but I don't speech the language, and even if I had work in Bangalore pay scales wouldn't allow for me to travel home much.

Further my films as envisioned would do better in France.

The world is well populated and you can likely hire the right people from somewhere in it. Mostly the real question is whether or not you are committed to getting the job done.