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Quantum Mysteries Part 4. The Watched Pot Never Boils

03/20/2007 7:55 PM

Researchers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, in Boulder Colorado, found a way to hold several thousand ions of beryllium in place with electric fields (the pot). An ion is an atom that has one or more electrons stripped off. By applying a burst of radio waves at a particular frequency for 256 milliseconds, they were able to get almost 100% of the ions to move up to the next energy state (boiling pot) which was called level 2. The NIST team developed a neat trick for looking at the ions while they were 'making up their minds' about which state to be in. They did this by shooting a very brief flicker of laser light into the quantum pot. The energy was matched to ions in level 1, so that they would go up the level 3, and would bounce back to level 1 in much less than a millisecond. As they bounced back, these excited ions emitted characteristic photons which could be detected and counted. If the ions were 'looked at' by the laser pulse after 128 milliseconds, just half of them were found in level 1 as expected. But if the researchers 'peeked' four times during the 256 milliseconds at equal intervals, 2/3 of them were in level 1 at the end. And if they peeked 64 times, almost all were in level 1. Even though the radio waves had been doing their best to warm the ions up (and the laser added more energy), the watched quantum pot had refused to boil.

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Re: Quantum Mysteries Part 4. The Watched Pot Never Boils

03/22/2007 11:54 AM

Wow, it's amazing what our research dollars are paying for? Boggles the mind. So, just what exactly does this prove or disprove and how can I use it?? Or as one of my old college professors used to ask me ... "So therefore, What?"

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03/22/2007 12:05 PM

Hmmm...thinking like that helps the world in ignorance.

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03/22/2007 8:15 PM

Hi DB,

Thanks for your post. Mysteries like this make life interesting. The idea of these posts is to get a discussion going where people post their hypothesis or give information (links, etc.) to solve the mystery. Sometimes the forum strays off the subject. That's OK, were here to have fun discussing it.

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03/22/2007 9:28 PM

You have got to be kidding, blokes who are setting around making magnetic pots full of ions and then getting them to boil are proving that yours and mine TAX money would be better off saving the whales or even getting your neighbors kid to read. That potboiling will lead to some discovery that they will keep the lid on and sell the idea to an industrial giant.

You and I who paid for it will get the thing all perfected and shoved up someplace where we think the politicians head should be who sponsored this in the first place.

We John Q public are only in a position to get it in the shorts.

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03/22/2007 2:23 PM

When I watch my pot, the water in it never boils......feels like it anyway.

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03/24/2007 2:12 AM

WOW!

More exitation = less response...Fantastic!

Think of protective force fields, dear colleagues, not frigidity!

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03/24/2007 9:36 PM

Just when you think QM can't get any stranger, a QM computer has solved problems without ever running....check out this link:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060225/fob6.asp

"Curiouser and curiouser" said Alice...

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03/24/2007 9:58 PM

Hi HTRN,

An interesting link. After reading it I think the real mystery is why the people involved think the computer can be running and not running at the same time.

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03/27/2007 5:56 PM

maybe theres some hidden parameter or variable linked with the photon that has yet to be isolated that gives these results

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03/29/2007 3:27 AM

Very good point, EngX. Right now it's a chicken and egg thing, since we aren't given enough information about the photon effect in an ionization avalanche. In fact, many of the photons may not be reflecting back to the counter at all because they are being deflected by either the ionization process or the energy bursts being used to cause it.

Shoot! There goes my protective force field theory !

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04/02/2007 6:21 PM

yes ,insufficient data

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