Cold Fusion

I know the theory behind the experiment but so far despite hundreds of millions spent tens of thousands of man hours no one has actually got it to work. Perhaps it is all another dream that leads to a night mare. Cash gone future bleak!

I think that I have a cold fusion and that it works,but I can not say it exactly. my problem is that I have not the knowlege of nuclear pysics. I can not proof It out of that reason.

Ok, I am going to tentatively enter this discussion. NO ONE has EVER got cold fusion to produce more energy than was put in to start the reaction (few can even get close). Now, it is possible to create something that will demonstrate the principles of room temperature fusion, such as Thiago Olson's fusion reaction demonstration project

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/03/high_school_stu.html

However, it is not a cold fusion power generator.

The dream of cold fusion power plants is a dead one (for numerous reasons I don't want to go into), and although experiments continue the only people to claim any success are the free-energy backyard tinkers (whose lack of understanding on even the basics of how to take proper measurements doom them into thinking they are getting results they are not). Beware the dark (and hopelessly deluded) side. But that is no reason for people to stop experimenting, as room temperature fusion reactions may certainly have applications (other than power generation) and lead on to other discoveries. The biggest problems in this field are the difficulty to even measure meaningful results without 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars of high-tech equipment. An average-reading multimeter from the hardware store is not going to cut it I am sorry. Seriously, at the very least one of the pieces of equipment you should have is a multi-trace digital storage oscilloscope with a high sampling rate. Trust me, I used to work at an electrical laboratory and am a power engineer, I do this sort of thing for a living.

A background in nuclear physics would certainly help, but an understanding of electricity, physics, lab theory and access to proper equipment (and knowing how to use it to get meaningful results) is far more important.

If you mention draco aliens or spirit elements I may have to raise my shields and go to warp.

Hi jack of all trades. I managed to get cold fusion by placing two ice cubes together and putting them under pressure between the jaws of a vice, the problem was that I did not get any more energy out than I put into the effort to put them under pressure. But they fused together into one block of ice. Spencer.

LOL.

Seriously thou, I have heard dumber things than this from people who were actually serious. Mentions of cold fusion using stainless steel electrodes in water to create hydrogen using dc, measuring with an averaging multimeter on the battery and on the output (?) and posting pictures of the display on the web as irrefutable proof of success. How many things wrong can you see here.

Still, really is only a small group of people really, and hey if it gets these kids interested in science and going to university to get a better understanding of the real world, good I say, but don't jump down my throat when I try and help by pointing out the problems and why it does not and has never worked the way you think a process should. There are after all people out there who know more then they do.

All bets are off if you are a free-energy scammer thou.

There are a number of people who cheat investors with cold fusion schemes. They just need a bit more $$ to perfect the device, which almost works.

They have a story, they usually have a device that seems to work ( it does not work, trust me)

A famous one is Joe Champion. A crook who preys on retired people with nest eggs and no brains. The woods are full of guys like that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22joe+champion%22+%2Bfusion&btnG=Search

Here is another link. have fun

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fusion+%2Bfraud&btnG=Google+Search

If you can explain your process in detail, perhaps we can come to some conclusion...A few basics to begin with would be are you producing more energy than you are using, if so , how are you measuring the data ?...Don't be discouraged by those that would discount your efforts, without even the slightest idea of what you are doing...

The only reliable way is to measure neutron emissions as these are the real tell tale of any fusion taking place.

One step at a time...

I hate to discourage your work, but the field has proven to be an excellent example of pathological science at work.

Still, I would encourage you to learn more about the physics that drives fusion. This could be a good opportunity to learn something very exciting. Learning why something doesn't work can be very helpful or even more useful than learning why something works. Make sure you think objectively and enjoy learning the scientific method.

To all of the above: I have just read a bunch of blog,replys from the largest bunch of nay sayers I have ever heard on this forum. If you guys are so darned smart, that topics like this can't come up without jumping on a guy that asks for help with something he doesn't understand,then get off your collective dead centers and do something constructive to eleviate some of the problems the world faces today. Y'all may have alphabet soup behind your names, but unless you do something with all of that education, you have wasted your time and money for nothing. That makes me sad. Come up with something so nobody has to mess arround with neuclear anything.Get us off the fossil fuel train to hell. Down off of my soap box and cool off.

Wow!

Maybe we should get on that anti gravity thing! There is another elusive endevor.

Hello from one of the above. I am smart and I can do both, by which I mean help inform and assist people who are barking up the wrong tree (one of many specific trees with "cool" buzzwords attached to it that countless people have and will likely continue to).

What country do you live in, I may be helping to keep your lights on. What else, hmmmm . How about Australia's new 1000MW 500kV substation. Not impressive enough, well how about the most efficient wind farm in the world, or Australia's new particle accelerator. Just some of the many ways I help contribute to making the world a better place.

We don't use nuclear down here, mostly hydro, gas, geothermal and wind. Geothermal and hydro show the greatest promise for abundant cheap energy sources. Extensive and careful research into extreme and free energy forms of generation has lead me no where constructive. Virtually all current solar is not much better (oh, the resource cost of the system as a whole). I watch and wait for future developments (especially in solar).

Be not you quick to judge those learned ones with "alphabet soup" behind their names, especially if they can back their soup up with something of substance.

Hmm doesn't hydroelectricity adversely effect the habitat for native species. Doesn't Australia have some sort of environmental protection act, like the first world nations, process to make hydroelectric cost more to build than could ever be made in sales of electricity? similarly, Wind power is limited to not adversely effecting the poor or aesthetic qualities of nature; geothermal must be proven not to adversely effect groundwater resources or aesthetics, or seismic conditions; and solar can be an eye sore relegated to hidden canyons out of the sight of man. Cold fusion on the other hand would just suck up all the water from the oceans. We should look into biothermal energy production, with all the humans on earth and the huge amount of heat energy we waste off. Maybe we place all the movie stars, actors, salesmen, marketters, etc.. into large liquid filled bubble suits to capture the waste heat, when the suit reaches equilibrium we dump the heated liquid to generate energy, and refill them with cool liquid. Oh and maybe we can hook their mouths and noses to little wind turbines.

What energy generation scheme is without its disadvantages, as say compared with coal (oh, the humanity). Oh, and putting a solar farm in a canyon is a bad idea (not properly catching the sun and all that).

I think you have watched the Matrix movie too many times. The human body heat output is actually quite small. We are after all not biological radiant heaters (AAhhhhhh, my clothes are on fire, why did I forget to wear my asbestos underwear today).

Ppttt, why do you think we have the most efficient wind farm in the world down here. It is because we located it near our our Parliament. All that hot air and bluster really makes the turbines fly.

Ok. At the risk of feeding the trolls...

I've got a Google Alert set up for the phrase 'Cold Fusion' and got a link to this story - 'Cold Fusion' Rebirth? Symposium Explores Low Energy Nuclear Reactions http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1810327/posts - in the same daily digest that drew me to this query.

I'm one of the interested laypersons who have had a look at some of the various experiments and results that have been bandied about over the last so many years and I'm of the opinion that theres more chance that there's something to it rather than all of it being mistakes/lies on the part of the researchers.

There isn't a consistent theory that explains all the results as yet but there is an impressive amount of results that do seem to show that something weird is going on.

One of the best that is in the process of being replicated and documented is described here: http://newenergytimes.com/news/2006/2006ExtraordinaryEvidence.pdf

And from http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/keyexpdata.html there are 34 key experiments and results. To quote from the article:

'Key Experiments That Substantiate Cold Fusion Phenomena Compiled by Eugene F. Mallove, Sc. D., Editor-in-Chief Infinite Energy Magazine

Below are listed select technical papers that include substantive data providing documentation of the existence of "Cold Fusion." Abstracts or excerpts from these documents are provided so that the researcher may have a sense of the subject and content of the paper. We strongly recommend returning to the original documents to gain a fuller understanding of the validating work that has been been done in this field.'

Unless Dark Energy and Dark Matter will somewhere, somehow, somewhen, affect our understanding of the laws of physics, cold fusion?, it ain't gonna happen. The table top experiments already noted are not viable in any sense for power generation. Atomic nuclei are bound together by a force so strong we can barely imagine it.

In every instance we can evidence, breaking these bonds by fission or fusion requires an enormous amount of force. Nuclear weapons, supernova, black holes, our Sun. It cannot be easy or common or else our universe simply would not exist. True cold fusion, at levels high enough to replace fossil fuel, is sort of like time travel or traveling faster than light. In theory it might be possible. But when you get around to the dynamics you find those conditions do not exist.

Just remember that they are still selling clamp on devices that promise to double your gas mileage.

"In every instance we can evidence, breaking these bonds by fission or fusion requires an enormous amount of force."

Or perhaps just the right "key"...

You should give up now and file your 'Cold Fusion' documents with Alchemy!

It is complete rubbish!

I cannot give any advice or suggestions.

But opposied to perpetual motion there is energy available in atoms to utilize.

It may be impossible to achieve but KEEP GOING.

Basically you have to get two nuclei of hydrogen close enough together that the strong force, which is very short range, exceeds the electrostatic repulsion. This can be done by high temperature (hot fusion). The idea of cold fusion (Utah style) is to adsorb hydrogen or deuterium into a metal like palladium using electrolysis. The theory is that if you get the protons (hydrogen nuclei) or deuterons (deuterium nuclei = 1 proton + 1 neutron) packed in there tight enough that some fusion will take place. Their reactors required considerable time to concentrate the hydrogen during which time energy was required. This energy also generates heat and the amount of energy put in and the amount that escapes as heat needs to be carefully accounted for. Errors in accounting can falsely indicate that energy is being produced. As BrainWave has said, the proof of fusion is neutrons being given off, and unfortunately that has been absent.

about all I would add to this is; if it weren't right on the verge of being a viable process, the Chinese and the French wouldn't be spending billions on facilities to produce fusion power... and every once in a while you can catch a glimpse that the U.S. has a facility working on the same, but with a very low profile. Our London office is working on the design for the French facility.

Yes, thgere is hope that the generation being built now will exceed break even and chart to path to the first commercially viable design.

This table top tinkerer concept is delusions and scams in assorted mixtures.

Architect3451: You're confusing "fusion reactors" with "cold fusion". The fusion reactor research you refer to uses extremely high energy laser beams and high temperatures, much as a micro-scale that a star would use at it's core for fusion. The reason for all the research is that they haven't been able to sustain a viable reaction, and they input much more energy at present than they can create. You may also want to read the Carbon Cycle as the route for fusion in stars. We can also use particle accelerators to slam protons, etc into each other and create huge amounts of energy on a nano-micro scale, but the input energy is orders of magniture what we derive from the "fusion".

Let's be clear about the argument here. It's not nuclear fusion we're debating, it's "Cold Fusion", a nuclear reaction occurring at near room temperature and pressure, requiring minuscule energy inputs yet liberating large amounts of usable energy.

In the USA, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories is currently in the final phases of making the National Ignition Facillity (N.I.F.) opperational. The NIF will use hundreds of lasers to focus enough energy onto a target fuel pellet to cause a controlled fusion reaction. Don't know if this process qualifies as 'cold fusion' or just scaled down 'hot fusion' but the project itself is worth looking into if fusion in general floats your boat. Best of luck to you, Rager, in your endeavors.

Well now, this damm thing keeps coming around.

Here is the theory.

You can shove enough hydrogen in the interstitial boundary between Pd atoms to cause the interstitial pressure to raise to the required pressure for fusion reaction to happen. The only problem is the metal matrix must be almost perfect to hold the metal together. This is what caused the explosions that have been common with cold fusion work.

The theory holds, the application in essences is not workable.

But good luck and keep you head down. I have been to two funerals (SRI) over this research work.

Just don't invest any of your own money because it will disapear so fast and in such large amounts that if you burned it all it would generate far more heat and power than cold fusion ever could hope to.

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