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Supporting Large Steel Pipes

05/10/2011 2:46 PM

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I have to support a 900 mm sewage pipe. How would I calculate if a 6 mm wall thickness would be sufficient if I support the pipe from below at 7,5 meter intervals

Will the supports not squash the pipe closed?

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Re: Supporting Large Steel Pipes

05/10/2011 3:52 PM

You're in the wrong line of work, Buckaroo. I'd take two weeks off and look for a job I knew something about, if I were you.

Are you building this in your back yard? Are there any controlling specifications or documents that might give some clue as to the requirements of the project?

Do you have any idea how much a 7.5 meter section of pipe full of sewage would weigh? Why not bury it?

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05/10/2011 5:00 PM

More information would be needed to come up with a reasonable answer.

How full will the pipe be?

How much is the weight of the sewage?

What is the dimensional data of the supports? Are they a full cradle style or point loaded?

etc etc etc.

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05/10/2011 5:49 PM

My question is what is the lifetime of a steel pipe in sewage service?

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05/10/2011 5:57 PM

Ductile iron, concrete lined and epoxy covered last at least 80 years, with periodic inspection of the external coating for deterioration and appropriate response.

Burried pipes, properly wrapped and concrete lined are at least the same.

The real challenge is the transition point from underground to above ground where the chemistry of protection need to cope with both circumstances.

Most failures of above ground pipes relate to damaged coating allowing localised corrosion of the pipe.

(Depends a little on wall thickness.)

I'm currently working in an area that has 200km plus of steel pipes in sewage system, working on predictive failure process to get renewals done before smelly spills happen across the community. We already have some pipes at 90 years (cast iron) that were concrete lined in situ when they were 40 years old.

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05/10/2011 6:09 PM

(ductile iron ≠ steel)

But that aside, yes, DI coated, lined, and properly installed can work and work well. Speaking from the experience of all the city's I work with though, for every success story of DI in sewer service, there are 10 failure stories (at least here in the US).

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05/10/2011 8:44 PM

The failures that I've seen can all be traced back to "special cause" issues local to the failure.

Things like wrapping damaged by "backhoe" teeth when the pipes were laid. (Failed pipe had corrosion at same centre distances.) We excavated another 10 pieces each 3m long and verified that the rest of the pipe was OK. (1000m rising main 300mm ID.)

Things like coating damaged due to "burning off" the vines that were underneath it.

Things like tapping holes for metering that were not properly coated.

Things like leaking joints where "wrapping" was not done properly. (We are currently exposing and re-wrapping a 25000m long water line because of inferior joint protection.)

Premature failures have all (so far) provided an identified issue that allows decisions about the remainder of the pipe.

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05/11/2011 9:55 AM

You've hit the nail on the head (that's why I was sure to include "properly installed" in my comment). With the appropriate linings and coatings in place, DI pipe can withstand the harshest of sewer gasses and most corrosive soils.

My original comment though is that steel piping is generally not used for sewer service. It appears the OP is using 36" steel gauge piping (not DI).

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05/11/2011 1:52 AM

After subtracting the corrosion allowance from the i.d. of the pipe, calculate the moment of inertia of the remaining cross-section. Determine how full the pipe is expected to be, and calculate the weight of pipe and contents between supports. Use suitable deflection formula to calculate sag (deflection) of pipe between supports. If deflection ≤ 7.5m/360, you're probably okay. You probably want full-saddle supports (or at least 120°).

(This is only a preliminary guide.)

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05/11/2011 7:13 AM

According to my calculations, no problem. You don't say how the pipe is joined, but assuming couplings of some sort, which give no bending resistance, so pipe is simply supported at both ends, I get stress ~ 14 MPa and deflection 0.9mm, < span/8000. That's with the pipe running full.

Assuming 3mm corrosion allowance, figures are stress ~ 25 MPa and deflection 1.6mm, < span/4500.

But can you get 900mm dia pipe 6mm thick? Seems a bit thin, unless it's stainless steel. Obviously if it's thicker the figures go down.

Using ductile iron pipe, the nearest size to nominal 900mm is 945mm OD, thickness 18mm.

As Tornado said, best to use some sort of saddle supports.

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05/11/2011 8:45 AM

Thank you, from an overworked draftsmen doing my best to do more than just blindly draw.

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05/16/2011 11:46 AM

I don't know what the regulation is for interval support, but if the supports are cradled to the radius of the pipe, that will help decrease crushing and deformation.

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