Windows OS on MacBook

Yes, you could run Windows on the later versions of the Macs using 680X0 processors - you just had to have the appropriate version of VirtualPC, but who would want to today? Apple switched to the Intel processors in 2006, so it does not make sense to try to run Windows on a Mac that old, when you can buy a used PC of that age for $100 or so.

How long has it been since most PCs stopped using the x86 series of processors...

Re: Yes, you could run Windows on the later versions of the Macs using 680X0 processors - you just had to have the appropriate version of VirtualPC, but who would want to today?

I sort of forgot about that--not sure anybody wanted to do that back in the day, either. ;-)

Re: How long has it been since most PCs stopped using the x86 series of processors...

Maybe I should have said x86 compatible?

I don't think they have--well, I guess some (or all?) of the 64 bit processors no longer have any kind of x86 compatibility mode?

My impression is that some of the 64 bit processors still have a 32 bit compatibility mode which, in turn, still are (or still have an) x86 compatible mode.

But, so far I've avoided 64 bit processors.

Are 64 bit PC processors now in the majority?

(Because I'm posting here anyway, I'll just mention that the Mac OSX (or is the proper name OS10)--I mean the newer OS, no longer compatible with the old Macs is in some sense a variant or derivation of the Linux family. (Perhaps they use the BSD kernel?)

They took KDE's konqueror (all on the up and up, or pretty much so--there is/was a dispute about whether Apple fulfilled all the requirements with respect to providing the improvements they made to konqueror back to KDE (a condition of many free / open software licenses)) as the basis for their web browser.

I guess instead of saying konqueror, it would be more accurate to say they adopted the HTML renderer that konqueror uses--atm, I can't recall the name.

Actually, the Mac-Unix history predates Linux if you consider Steve Jobs and the NeXT computer, which later fused back with Apple.

In 1984 NeXTSTEP was utilized to create Mac OS X which used the FreeBSD-based subsystem as the OS X kernel.

I think Linux did not appear until about 1990?

It's all academic, anyway.

Re: I think Linux did not appear until about 1990?

Or a little later (1991). But, like many, I don't always mention GNU which is the basis of many of the parts of Linux except for the kernel. GNU started in 1984 / 1985. In many ways, Linux should be thought of as GNU/Linux (and some people push for that)--I usually just refer to it as Linux.

There's a reasonable history of the development of Linux (including Unix, Minix, GNU) in the Wikipedia article on Linux.

But, like you say, it's all pretty academic.

My opinion and understanding is that Apple does have tighter control of the component supply chain, so some might argue that there is a difference in the hardware, but I would never agree that the premium you pay for Apple is strictly because you are getting hardware that is worth that much more, you are, IMHO, buying a name, the Apple OS, and possibly better service after the sale.

Now ask your "friend" what he thinks the "Genius's" at the "Apple Bar" are going to say when he brings in his ailing Mac Book, sporting a Microsoft OS?

If he wants to get the best hardware built for the purpose of running Windows, tell him to look into "workstation" class laptops. These have higher-end components, and he'll be paying more towards the hardware, and less for the name. My $.02 worth..

Tom D.

The Apple store installed windows xp on my buddies macbook when he had troubles with the install. Though like you said, doubt they'll be much help when the windows partition is acting up.

Have a friend does IT work. Has always liked MAC he has several OS on his. Just switches to the one he needs at the time. Most of his clients systems utilize Windows. Some servers utilize Unix. I was there when he put Ubuntu on it. So yes though I wouldn't get rid if the MAC OS.

I run both on my desktop and laptop Macs.

You use something called Bootcamp to create a Windows partition.

From there you have two choices; you can boot directly from the Bootcamp partition when you start your machine and it will only run the Windows OS, or you can run the two OS (Mac and Windows) concurrently.

I use Parallels as the virtual OS host for Windows, but VMWare is another alternative.

Here is a snapshot of both OS systems running together. I can run either a Win or Mac application side by side and I do it often. Unfortunately, there are a few programs that simply do not run on OS X, but Mac also has Unix built in. ;-)

The screenshots in your post are so wide that the word wrapping in the all parts of this thread is messed up--in particular, it is wider than my screen, and I must scroll horizontally to read each line.

Can you post smaller screenshots, or post them somewhere else and provide only a link here?

The original was full-size. Sorry about that. I downsized it to 50%. Is it still too large?

Thanks!

Now it seems Ok for me.

(I might have been seeing an older copy cached from somewhere (re my previous comment), but I tried to refresh the page and got the same image--even called it up in a new tab and got the same image.)

But, like I say, it is OK now.

All is normal now

How did you edit your post after 15 minutes?

I replaced the original image with a corrected one. The original message is unchanged, but the linked image file has been changed.

it makes sense

that you had used I-bucket [or other] for the screen shot

it didn't occur to me, as I never use that method, preferring to use cr4's server

On the Mac, Screen Shots are built-in to the OS. No separate program needed

Linux too

it was a question of how to get Screenshots to the site

I would just post the image directly

of course if you are using safari, there is no editor bar & no code given for posting pics directly

Can you please delete or shrink that screenshot--it's too big and it's messed up the width and line wrapping again (like the earlier screenshot did).

I'm sorry, but once the 15 minutes has elapsed, I have no Idea how to do that! If someone can tell me how, I'll gladly follow their instructions.

I have deleted the original from my computer, but I doubt if that will make any difference on CR4.

The original is a .png screenshot, which is 1440 x 900 pixels. I used the camera icon and the Browse function of the CR4 editor in Firefox to find and submit it. It showed up as perhaps 2/3 of the window width, so I selected it and drug the corner handle down and right to enlarge it. When I've done this in the past, the enlargement always stopped when I got to the right side of the editor window, but this time it seemed to keep on going, so I had no idea how big the image would appear.

When I pressed the Preview button, it showed up at just the window width. so I pressed 'Submit'.

Although I did see the extra wide window yesterday, I don't see it today, even in the presence of my screen shot...

If anyone can help, please do!

Dick

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I'll try reporting it to the moderators--they should be able to delete either the screenshot alone or the screenshot and the post.

I suppose I should add that I expect nothing will happen before Monday.

I had that wide CR4 window problem yesterday evening myself. It had nothing to do with his screen shot. It appeared to be a glitch in the CR4 editor, but that is only a guess. It's OK today.

My problem has more commonly been that graphics are too small to see clearly

Re: I had that wide CR4 window problem yesterday evening myself. It had nothing to do with his screen shot.

Perhaps on your computer--maybe you had an additional problem. I had 20 some tabs of CR4 open when I found the problem on this thread--all of the other tabs at the proper width.

It is fairly common (perhaps not on Macs), for oversized pictures on a web page to mess up the width / word wrapping.

I would think there would be a way with HTML, Javascript, and such to automatically detect an overly wide picture and do something like shrink it or truncate the width, but I'm not aware of any pages written to do that. (Nor have I looked very hard. ;-)

OK Thanks! Maybe it was his screenshot; I hadn't gotten far enough through the thread to see it.

I am on a Mac, and that is the first time I had ever seen such a wide window

A number of points:

1. Yes, I have run Windows on my Macbook Pro (true, it's not a Macbook, exactly; The Macbook pro has a metal case and a few more i/o connectors, while the MacBook has a plastic case and slightly fewer connectors). I used Parallels and Windows XP.

2. You don't remove the Mac OS when you use Windows. Your initial boot is always to Mac OS (unless you use the free Bootcamp); you then switch to Windows if you so choose. With Parallels and VMWare, you can switch back and forth between Mac OS and Windows, so you can copy from one OS and paste into the other.

3. Mac laptops and other laptops are NOT made of the same chips! Apple has a much tighter control of what goes into a Mac than other companies do... Some of the chips are actually designed by Apple.

4. You call the Software expensive!? The last two versions of Mac OS (Snow leopard and Lion, OS10.6 and 10.7) cost under $30. What does a copy of Windows cost? A copy of iWork (roughly equivalent to Office) costs under $80. What does a copy of Office cost?

5. The biggest advantage of the Mac hardware is freedom from malware. The last time I saw a virus on a Mac was 1998! Obviously I can't say it wont happen, but the Mac has far fewer ways for malware to invade...

I didn't even mention ease of use...

I really just wanted to subscribe

the screenshot seems to have blown up the format

Ops. You must be using a PC. ;-)

Can you scroll horizontally?

I fixed the image size. See if that helps.

I could scroll sideways & even see the subscribe button, before you fixed the image

subscribe didn't work?

Virtual Box will run on windows, mac or linux

I have XP & about 10 different linux deviations [Distros]

each one is fully functional & can be accessed without having to shut down & restart as you would with a dual boot

Mac & linux are set up in similar ways which make them less vulnerable to attacks

if you have more money than time, buy a Mac & all the official hardware

when it breaks hand it to a genius & pay em

Libre Office has taken up where Open Office left off as the office suite of choice in the open source world

I'm not sure about others, but I still have the problem.

Not only do we now have something like a 24:9 aspect ratio, but the "Reply to Post" button has disappeared.

I have put VmWare on my imac and put windows on that. It doesn't certain applications very well and there is a delay with the mouse button that is annoying.

My boss put a dual boot on his macbook pro and swears it runs faster than anything on on a pc that he has seen. They did that at the place he boought the mac from. He seems very pleased and is learnign to like the mac for his music etc.

On another note the aspect screen of CR4 has also gone t!ts up for me.